There is, I can post that as well, I was trying to put things into video form as well for everyone.

With so much misinformation floating around this game, BAT 2 Plus might be a contender for most obscure and certainly the least documented. I want to use this section of the board as a discussion place for Battle Arena Toshinden 2 Plus (BAT 2 Plus) in addition to the fgc speedrun discord https://discord.gg/6Ay9bmb The rules, character variables, and theme likeness have been copied over from the original game. Arcade Mode is relatively the same as the previous entry but AI have been improved. Full Game has a different number of versus count for some reason.

The main thing to remember about this version is that character damage has been greatly reduced, along with some properties changed all together.

Some moves now seem to be geared toward ringing out, and some have been altered in a way where they can't be used in a combo anymore. Some combos and axis fixes (get de-aligned is sadly still a huge issue) have been made but all these changes are so great it deserves its own post.

I added @BOSSCAT as a mod because they did a run first and requested of this me. At the time I didn't know if it was just a small upgrade or simply a minor change. So I sunk a large amount of time into Toshinden research, particularly this entry.

The previous entry is here https://www.speedrun.com/battle_arena_toshinden_2

My hope is that a few more runners, when browsing Battle Arena Toshinden entries give this game a try. I might actually be leaning toward thinking this is the best entry out of all the games, though some of my favorite characters really feel like they got nerfed this time around. Good Luck and Have fun.

If your curious you can also check out https://www.speedrun.com/Battle_Arena_Toshinden_2_Plus since some of the combos are useable between the two games.

@Kelyaan So first things first, I didn't change anything about the category rules of arcade from what it was originally, you can see I follow the rules set previously from 5 years ago. I just submitted to 1 bout which has always been and was the default.

Second, I speak in great detail in all the videos about how the new route has been done, and I have always shared strats publicly.

Third, If you want me to add a multi bout category, I'm ok with doing that, but you would have to decide on a condition. For example, 3 Set Points, Max Difficulty. You can respond here if you want that. The other difficulties were unsubmitted to, I would be happy to add a 2 point, Stress Relief. But it needs to be decided on. The other difficulties were untouched for 5 years, that is 5 years of NO SUBMISSIONS to a variable of 2 bouts. If we add it it back it should be a special Multi Bout (round) challenge so the rules and conditions need to be set, not just having it so its an empty category that will get at most 1 submission.

I'll end with this, Your making a big thing from a change that got rid of 1 thing, this game has been on life support 5 years, even before I came and did some well needed fighting game research. I have done this in BAT 1, with Ellis' slide infinite, or Gaia's extremely cheap fireball push, and everyone came back and beat my times. I have done this in BAT 2 in addition. Just recently I just did this in Fatal Fury: Wild Ambition, board sweep, and guess what @AlbertAC3 came right back and improved the times with his own board sweep. It's a healthy thing, and these event's are the kind of thing that are good for a game because they push it forward. New strats, new routes, better defined rules, actually having variables set correctly. This back in forth in common in speedrunning, in fact its actually hype and something most runners of games look forward to. I know it sucks to lose a record, but come back and beat it, be a positive part of the history of the game you run. Not a negative one.

You've done a run or two copying the Veil Strat that @deserteagle417 and @ShoShinjo preformed and perfected, 4 months ago. While I am happy to see additional runners, you've never interacted with anyone in the community, your gameplay is not clean compared to someone like @1800POOPNOW whose multirun also got deleted, and I see this is your first speedrun. This behavior isn't making you look good. However I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt because your not understanding really what changes were made based on your above comments.

You can work co-operatively and cordial with me to talk about what category we can add, or you can just remove yourself from a community you barely were a part of. I hope its the former but I can accept the latter. It's your choice of what kind of speedrunner you want to be.

Your 1 Set point records are still there and the 1 set (1 Bout is just as it is).

I'm not sure what you mean by "Yet 1 game still has these categories." If your referring to BAT 1 and BAT 2 or BAT 2 PLUS or any other Toshinden entry, they all are different game with their own settings and values, and play drastically different from each other.

Your welcome to do your own long runs, and post them in the discord as well as in the forum here.

What are you talking about. The number of Bouts is a variable. Bat 1 and 2 are completely different games. All I did was remove that variable which was added almost 5 years ago.

Your welcome to come to discord vc and discuss this, your not coming through well on text. And I think you don't understand the changes that were made. The only difference is 3 runs were removed, since the 2 point setting was removed, since its lengthening the game.

The only other runner with a run was Poop san, and I am sure he would understand the decision.

Again adding extra rounds and stretching out a run is fine if you want to do that on your own, but its not needed for the leaderboard. Your welcome to speedrun how you want. But for the official leaderboard im not going to add 2 , 3, 7 round runs.

If those variables weren't up there in the first place you would not have even submitted to them.

Also to what records are you referring to that are impossible to beat?

Huh? The layout is the same minus the round variable. Everyone has been running arcade mode 1 round, and selecting difficulty.

All I did was go into the coding and make sure the runs are in the correct Arcade sub difficulties, rather than categories. This is common practice.

Again the default was moved from its original value of 1 to go UP toward more rounds increase. Usually for speedruns we go down, this game in general is meant for one round and its again, THE DEFAULT. Not a huge hefty change. It shouldn't have been changed in the first place. The other ones had been empty for a very long time. Sorry your unhappy but please focus on speedrunning the game as its intended.

Overlooked but not forgotten, I decided to not only really give Toshinden 3 a fair shake since being tasked with the leaderboard way back. I decided to really dig deep into every character, and try and understand this game.

Through doing this, I realized a bit of better way to set the leaderboard, more in line with standard fighting game leaderboards and adding many missing things. I hope fans of the series give this one a chance, with probably the biggest cast of characters in the game, there are many interesting things to find, and possibly still times to improve.

• Comprehensive rules have been added. With standard formatting

• Category rules were added as well.

• Properly made it so that the difficulty of Arcade is now a sub category.

• Condensed the Arcade category, since difficulty was added.

• Removed the round variable. There is literally zero reason to change it from the default. Since the default is already set to one. Not sure why this was ever added to begin with, but its gone now, there were only 3 submissions on this one, and didn't compare well to the 1 round.

• Character value set to not obsolete so you can have multiple runs on a difficulty as long as its a different character.

• Characters reordered by place in the actual game select menu.

• Character variable updated and added Abel, Naru, Schultz, Tau, Atahua, Leon, Zola, Toujin, Adam, Balga, Miss Til, Ten Count, Judgement, Rachael, Cuiling

• Even though a lot of characters play similar there are minor differences in special, and strings a majority of the time. Some characters like Adam are completely different to their counterpart.

• Updated everyones runs, double verified, and attached the character variable to them.

Use this thread or the fighting game speedrun discord if you had a request or comment about the leaderboard!

Revisited Toshinden 2 after almost 5 years including a large amount of hours spent routing and testing all characters, I am making some needed changes to the leaderboard. It may be a little to late after I inherited the board way back when, but maybe the new changes will encourage some new runs, and even better more additional routing.

• Rules have been updated with better explanations.

• Character variable has been updated to include all the secret characters since they are unlocked from codes on all versions of this game.

• Difficulty subcategory has been added, Any% which includes the option to change any settings, The standard Easiest difficulty, with default settings, and Hardest have been added.

• Previous runs have had the character variable and reassigned to normal appropriately.

Finally, Plus 2 has been tested, this version is not just a minor graphical upgrade but a major difference in balance, move properties, frames, and even combo ability. There is also some minor hud and system changes.

Posting this here as well since this extends to the second game.

Anime Speedruns Festival (ASF) is holding its main online marathon again in 2024!

According to our rules, anything based off a previous written work like a light novel, or manga, etc is allowed at ASF, and it was brought to the staffs attention that this includes Parasite Eve. I'm not as familiar with the second game but would more than welcome a submission of this at the current event or next years.

Submissions are open until March 16th, This is your chance to show off your games in one of the years biggest anime gaming events. https://oengus.io/marathon/animes/

Even if you're not participating be sure to tune in May 3rd to May 5th to see the most hype anime game speedrun moments at ASF!

Be sure to follow the Youtube as it will be streaming live there as well https://www.youtube.com/@animespeedruns

Be sure to post here or in the anime in the anime speedrun discord if you have a question about the event, as well as any ideas or interesting ways to present this game at the event.

Hi everyone, ASF is back with its main online marathon in 2024!

We need more Evangelion submissions at the yearly Anime Speedrun Festival!

Submissions are open until March 16th, This is your chance to show off your games in one of the years biggest anime gaming events. https://oengus.io/marathon/animes/

Even if you're not participating be sure to tune in May 3rd to May 5th to see the most hype anime game speedrun moments at ASF!

Be sure to follow the Youtube as it will be streaming live there as well https://www.youtube.com/@animespeedruns

Be sure to post here or in the anime in the anime speedrun discord if you have run questions or speedrun ideas for the event! Looking forward to seeing you there!

Hi everyone, ASF is back with its main online marathon in 2024!

Let's get some more JoJo submissions at the anime speedruns festival. Combo exhibitions, and showcases are acceptable, and of course speeedruns.

Submissions are open until March 16th, This is your chance to show off your games in one of the years biggest anime gaming events. https://oengus.io/marathon/animes/

Even if you're not participating be sure to tune in May 3rd to May 5th to see the most hype anime game speedrun moments at ASF!

Be sure to follow the Youtube as it will be streaming live there as well https://www.youtube.com/@animespeedruns

Be sure to post here or in the anime in the anime speedrun discord if you have run questions or speedrun ideas for the event! Looking forward to seeing you there!

Hi everyone, ASF is back with its main online marathon in 2024!

RWBY has always been discussed in our server, maybe someone from the community would could consider submitting to the Anime Speedruns Festival!

Submissions are open until March 16th, This is your chance to show off your games in one of the years biggest anime gaming events. https://oengus.io/marathon/animes/

Even if you're not participating be sure to tune in May 3rd to May 5th to see the most hype anime game speedrun moments at ASF!

Be sure to follow the Youtube as it will be streaming live there as well https://www.youtube.com/@animespeedruns

Be sure to post here or in the anime in the anime speedrun discord if you have run questions or speedrun ideas for the event! Looking forward to seeing you there!

Hi everyone, ASF is back with its main online marathon in 2024!

We are always looking for more Pokemon submissions at the yearly Anime Speedrun Festival!

Submissions are open until March 16th, This is your chance to show off your games in one of the years biggest anime gaming events. https://oengus.io/marathon/animes/

Even if you're not participating be sure to tune in May 3rd to May 5th to see the most hype anime game speedrun moments at ASF!

Be sure to follow the Youtube as it will be streaming live there as well https://www.youtube.com/@animespeedruns

Be sure to post here or in the anime in the anime speedrun discord if you have run questions or speedrun ideas for the event! Looking forward to seeing you there!

Hi everyone, ASF is back with its main online marathon in 2024!

We are always looking for more Pokemon submissions at the yearly Anime Speedrun Festival!

Submissions are open until March 16th, This is your chance to show off your games in one of the years biggest anime gaming events. https://oengus.io/marathon/animes/

Even if you're not participating be sure to tune in May 3rd to May 5th to see the most hype anime game speedrun moments at ASF!

Be sure to follow the Youtube as it will be streaming live there as well https://www.youtube.com/@animespeedruns

Be sure to post here or in the anime in the anime speedrun discord if you have run questions or speedrun ideas for the event! Looking forward to seeing you there!

Hi everyone, ASF is back with its main online marathon in 2024!

We are always looking for more Pokemon submissions at the yearly Anime Speedrun Festival!

Submissions are open until March 16th, This is your chance to show off your games in one of the years biggest anime gaming events. https://oengus.io/marathon/animes/

Even if you're not participating be sure to tune in May 3rd to May 5th to see the most hype anime game speedrun moments at ASF!

Be sure to follow the Youtube as it will be streaming live there as well https://www.youtube.com/@animespeedruns

Be sure to post here or in the anime in the anime speedrun discord if you have run questions or speedrun ideas for the event! Looking forward to seeing you there!