click the bar evry chapter
click the divination machine evry chapter
click painthing evry chapter
click toilet evry chapter
click the painthing evry chapter
click the pc evry chapter
click on the cigaret evry chapter
click on the ring evry chapter
click leonora painthing 1 time
click the basket whit the apron 1 time
click the chinese lantern before it place for the secret passage
click the tv 1 time
click the piano 1 time
click the evry door 1 time
click evry chair 1 time
click evry mirror 1 time
pet the cat 1 time
read mary and carno letter 1 time
read the pamphlet 1 time
look at the book in the library 1 time
look at the genealogi book open 1 time
click the evil book 2 time so she said she dont know what to do whit the book)
click evry painthing 1 time(carno ,mary)
click the electric chair 1 time
click the crypt entrance 1 time
click the river jump 1 time(before sirus push the tree scene)
chap 1
click 5 time on the baby potrai
click the bear
click the cloud over the crib
use the poker on the fire to stir it
get the grabby bed scene
get all don cut scene including the kitchen scene
grab the newpaper
pick the tarot card
click the sing to see if the grocery ,real estate and antic are open
sit at the real estate
drink from the water cooler
pet the doge in front of the groceery store
open malcolm mail
click the doge
chapter 2
turn off the gramophone
talk to don in the dark room
before going to town click the barn to see its lock
get the hortensia sining to sofia cut scene
get the idle blooper scene in mary room
get evry lou cutscene including reading the scrap book (you can flip the scrap book but you need to see all page)
get the real estate cut scene
clic the donation pot
click the sing to see if the grocery,real estate and antic are open
talk to harv until it loop
read the sing before picking the
give the bone to the dog and talk to the women
in the barn click the pouli and the ladder
click the poney box 3 time
click the pot and give don the draino while he ramaging
chapter 3
talk to don in the bedroom
knock on the blackroom door
click the grape pressor,the empty barel and the full barel
get the ghost hand scene in the cell
talk to sirus until he run out of dialogue
try to pull hariet whit your hand
try to pull hariet whit the pitchfork
talk to hariette and sirus by the camp fire
give hariette the tarot
push the key whit the nail whitout the newpaper
use the new paper on the door
look under the door
use the poker to get the key
see the view from the window
sit on malcolm bed
talk to the real estate gyes
chapter 4
get the medailon cut scene in carno room
try evry item of you inventory on hariette 1 time
get the tarot scene
talk to hariette in the kitchen
talk to hariette in the entrance
talk to hariette in the library
talk to hariette in your bedroom
talk to harriet in the bathroom
talk to sirus in the barn
click the pot in the green house before the murder scene
click the pot after the murder scene
look in the telescope ,put the lense,look again
talk to mike
click the painthing
click the head twister
open the chess
click the neclace
read the journal
chapter 5
see the mirror murder in the tower,torture room,diner room
see the cat in the pound drowning scene
see the gazebo scene
see victoria body in the cellar(this scene have tendency to bug so this speedrun should be done using scumvm)
click the cigarette bud
go out using the lever to mary room and go back in
open the spy hole for mary room
walk to the hole
open the spy hole to the church
go to the cryp read evry sing
open mary and carno tomb whit the poker
walk up the stair
in the theater click the chair
pick the picture go out
chapter 6
talk to mike
in the theater see the movie box scene
see the mirror scene
in mary room see gaston/mary trusting scene
talk to hariette and sirus in the barn
go see malcolm
go to the barn to see that hariette and sirus are gone
chapter 7
click the absynthe in the secret passage
clic the main door of the house
dont pick any item
go to the black room
run to the baby room and stab don
go down to the blackroom and hit don whit the hammer
go to the scret passage and pull the lever to discover mike body
go to the crypt
go to the theater go in the back hide
use the poker on don
proceed to the ending
you have to activate the cutscene but you can press skip on it
Umm... That's not what I meant. What you've written here is a Route. As in, your way on how you would PLAY that category. The question was the exact DEFINITION of that category. You say "100%" but what does "100%" mean and how do you track it? What even are all items (some of which I believe are mutually exclusive) and what are all cutscenes (some of which are DEFINITELY mutually exclusive.)? That is the questions that need answers. Not what you think the best route is.
I believe the charm and the amulet are mutually exclusive, so you can't have both. Do you have to present every Item to the skull? Do you have to click the skull for every possible hint?
And most importantly, if there's no automated way to track or to confirm that "100%" is indeed reached, it is almost impossible to verify a run as a moderator, because you'd need to have one GIGANTIC checklist to go through confirming a run that you stated yourself to be 45 minutes long... I'd like to clearly state that I'm by no means against your category, and am happy to make it one on SRC. I'm trying to make you see the problems with it.
100% cut scene doesnt mean 100% item like if you want the long ending cut scene you need to choose the crucifix in the crypt instead of the crucifix in lou shop it mean you can ignor the brooch in the chest (and by definition the cut scene where you trade the brooch to lou for the cross)
those cut scene is base of the longuest way to play the game the longuest route the most complex that what i mean by 100%>.>maybe if poeple was taking the time to play the game properly instead of using a walktruthg or the hint keeper they will know all those scene)
like if you do all hariette cut scene in chapter 4 you will skip the scene where sirus atack your cat but those hariette scene is 5 cut scene instead of 1
if you do all cut scene of don in chapter 1 its 3 suplementary cut scene
there cut scene like talking to malcolm nurse that are in most poeple playtruth ignored because they only got to the house went they actually have the book
ya there a gian check list that not a route i put that a check list of all the cut scene (i skip writhing the cutscene that already part of the story and will be obtain automaticly)
the principle is mostly is interact whit evrything interactable at leas 1 time excluding road choice in case you need to make the choice of a exclusif item alway go for the road whit the most interaction
poeple ignor stuff like checking the painthing,bar divination machine,pc,cigaret and ring , thing that have to be done evry chapter ,poeple ignor stuff like sithing on chair ,looking themself in the mirror, using adrianne beauty product all item made to build the world (the rule is to click those at less 1 time in the play truth )
maybe my check list wasnt clear enought
Ugh, I edited my previous post and it didn't save. Trying again as a new reply.
Like Shoxx said, it's very hard to track 100% as a category. But there are things you could do like, AllDeaths% for instance.
The best categories are simple to define and allow runners the freedom to develop their own route. By simple I mean give the runner a clear goal (Feed the Dog, Complete a Chapter, Get an Item).
If your goal is view every cutscene, that is doable but a pain to verify. You would need to provide a list of all the cutscenes and where\when they play, even then it's hard to verify because so many of them can be skipped on almost frame 0 of the movie.
What I would suggest is do the run yourself. When I suggest categories, I usually record myself doing it, and explain it while I play. I detail what is required for the category, why and how to achieve\verify it. This gives the mods a much clearer idea of what you are putting forward.
Having said that, It's great to see a new runner interested in the game. Running Phantasmagoria is a lot of fun, and I can't wait to see anything you submit.
im not a new player i play this game thousand of time since i bought it in 1995 went i was 10 years old
i also watched a lot of poeple playing the game on twitch my issu whit that du to the fact that they all use walktruth or the hint keeper they miss 90% of the cut scene
i know this game of the tip of my finguer and hithing all the check mark on my 100% list can be done pretty fast went you know what to do to obtain them
but i wonder how fast it could be really be done
i have my how route i didnt discribe my order of action that make me get evrything clickable and evry cut scene in the faster time possible so there plenty of way poeple can find that
i probably need to record a slow run to show evry of those scene to properly show what the game actually look like before poeple could do the run properly but i dont have the confidence that i can explain and play at the same time
Again, this is not about your route. Routing has nothing to do with the definition of the category. It's great that you've played it a lot and we appreciate your experience and willing to contribute. But it's an organizational problem, not one of experience. I don't know if this will help, but here goes: If I run along the street for a stretch of what I think was 100 meters in what I think was 9 seconds, I'd be the WR holder for the 100 m sprint. However, for others to accept that record, I need to prove that it was indeed 100 meters (confirmation of category) and that I ran it in 9 seconds (proof of the run). This seems easy at face value, but what is a meter? I can't just get a 1 meter stick and mark it off 100 times, it will be to imprecise. There is an independent athelets body that can make official 100 m markings on a track for official races. What we need you to do is give a clear and unmistakable definition of what your category is. There is no instance of the game that tracks items or cutscenes or any other progress other than plot advancement. So you have to
- Clearly define the exact ruleset of your category in a way that cannot be misinterpreted.
- Give a list of all the things that need to be checked off in order to qualify for your category.
- Then and ONLY then can routing begin. You cannot route a run that doesn't have a clear category definition.
I encourage you to do all these things and am happy to discuss everything else, after you've done 1. and 2. I also encourage you to do a speedrun in an existing category to get into the matter of recording, timing and submitting a run.
I have reread everything you wrote, and now see that that was in fact meant to be a checklist and not a route. That is fair, but I still need a clear definition of the category. "All Cutscenes" does not work like I said there are mutually exclusive cutscenes, so a choice has to be made. So please clearly define the category.
Then you will have to demonstrate somehow that that checklist corresponds to your category. For example, what if there is a cutscene that you don't know about? If that's not included in your checklist, then there's a discrepancy between what you claim and what is reality. And "Trust me bro I know the game inside out" is not a good argument. You wouldn't trust me if I said I ran 100m in 9 seconds.
And finally, as both Bernie and I have stated, it is extremely difficult to verify that a run indeed satisfies the criteria of that list. How do you propose a mod checks that everything on the (insanely long) list has been fulfilled? You can't ask us to do multiple hours of checking that you've done everything in a 1 hour submission every time you submit a run, you know?
