I have been discussing with the other mods, and we think the video requirements should be as follows:

All sub-25 minute runs on DS should require video All sub-30 minute runs on VC should require video All runs on emulator should require video

I agree with the video requirement, but why the difference between VC and DS time requirement?

VC is easier to record than DS.

It's all about accessibility. We want to promote growth of the community by allowing people who are just starting out to post their times without having to mess with recording yet. And the time barrier is there for people who get more serious with the game.

Walrus/Andre asked me to write this here instead of on discord so don't @ me. Not requiring any proof of a run over a certain time can screw anyone over that time who actually has proof. I could splice a 26 and it would be removed but I could submit a 26 with no evidence and it would be accepted. Why aren't we trying to protect all of our runners? Even people who don't have what would be considered a good time deserve to know that some random person (who we can't prove even did a run) isn't going to bop them.

makes sense to me

lakitu, you're definitely right that someone could submit a 26 that they didn't actually achieve. Now the argument is finding a balance between these two situations:

-allowing runs without video: community growth, but at the cost of relying on trust for higher times -requiring video for all runs: community integrity, but at the cost of intimidating new runners who don't have a recording setup

Again, you're right that it isn't fair to someone with a video of a 27 if someone submits a 26 without video, but I think that the benefits of allowing runs without video outweigh the disadvantages.

Having all emulator runs be recorded makes sense, if you can use a DS emulator you should be able to record it. Not sure if changing the DS video requirement is a good idea because it will ruin a lot of runs.

I somewhat agree with v1be. Having people submit videos to be on the leaderboard incentivizes them to take the game more seriously, overall making it more competitive. It also helps with the integrity of the leaderboards. This could be off-putting to new runners and we could even lose some members, but then again we need to think about balancing the pros and the cons regardless

I'm more for allowing some runs without video for the growing aspect, and you can always filter the leaderboard to just show runs with video if you want for yourself and consider it the competitive runs.

You need a good enough PC to use DS emulators without lag, and not everybody has the money to invest a lot of money into a good enough PC. I think that the 25 minute video requirement should stay for just the DS/3DS. It's extremely easy to record your PC or TV screen.

It is absolutely a myth that you need to have a run accepted to be "part of the community". We have a responsibility to our runners to reject runs that we have no evidence even happened. Again, I feel a need to point out the hypocrisy here. You said "we protect all of our runners" but you're not willing to protect them from people who would cheat and post fake times.

As silly as it may seem lakitu, many people have the idea that they're not a part of the community if their PB isn't on the leaderboard. I don't think it's true, but many people do. And if not "being a part of the community", many more people just like the feeling of seeing their name on the leaderboard. Requiring video for all runs will decrease the number of people who feel they are a part of the community.

So Walrus you're telling me that we should accept runs without proof not because we have to be fair to those who can't record but because it will make people feel better? I'm sorry but how can you claim to have a ranking of NSMB speedrunners if you can't provide any evidence that the people who submit even run the game? You're right. That seems extremely silly to me. It's a noble cause to want to include people but it shouldn't be such a radical idea that you have to show that you've done a run in to have it featured. Since when did protecting the oh-so-delicate feelings of our runners become our top priority? What happened to accountability? And the worst part is that you admit that people who think that way are wrong and yet you still side with them. This baffles me.

Just filter the ones without video if you think that's a better ranking, allowing people people to have some runs on without video is better to grow.

[quote]Since when did protecting the oh-so-delicate feelings of our runners become our top priority?[/quote]

Generally when running a community it's important to keep everyone from having a miserable experience.

[quote] And the worst part is that you admit that people who think that way are wrong and yet you still side with them.[/quote]

He admits that he disagrees, but he can't change the minds of potentially hundreds of people. People are going to turn away if they can't submit any run without a video no matter whether or not they're wrong to do it. I think the reasonable thing to do is to ban it after a certain threshold so that people can get into it, and invest in buying a capture card if they want to keep at it.