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CanadaZachLink993 years ago

I wondered this as well lol

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CanadaZachLink993 years ago

As long as it's not offering you an advantage over the GCN controller its perfectly fine.

CanadaZachLink993 years ago

Yeah generally the rules for controllers are pretty laid back for TP, that would be fine as far as I'm aware.

CanadaZachLink993 years ago

Accessibility for this game is kinda fucked which I do agree with though, I just don't think splitting into categories is the way to go, people can and should run emulator without submitting if they so desire. And also can and should run on a disc because its not all about getting 1st place on the leaderboards, even if it was, its still possible lmao

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CanadaZachLink993 years ago

Although Wii U VC again is nice since everyone is literally on the exact same playing field for load times. With Disc loads between consoles and discs will vary by minutes which just sucks lol

CanadaZachLink993 years ago

Honestly I just like the idea of keeping the leaderboards to official releases of the game. If you want to run emu then later decide to swap to console you submitting your runs during that period of you learning the game wont affect like anything really. I wouldn't be way too opposed for emulator tabs for other categories, but again, for any% splitting it into different sections doesn't make it about beating the game as fast as possible anymore. If you have a wii and a disc, just run that I recommend, you can still get great times on the wii. I also don't really like the idea of adding emu tabs in general because there'd be like one or two submissions maximum. If a lot of people had good emu times, or a lot of people had good disc times, maybe you'd have a point. The competitive version should never be on discs because of the inconsistent load time between consoles. It is honestly a blessing that loads are frame perfectly synced between Wii U VC versions. If you don't want to drop 150$ I totally understand, but it's also like, you can't expect to ever get a time 2 minutes within perfect anyways in a 4 hour run, so it literally wouldn't matter, you can still get sub 4:10, sub 4, and even the record. I personally would still be content with running the game if it was on disc lol

CanadaZachLink993 years ago

Wii U VC only saves like 2 minutes on average from what we could tell, so its not "significantly faster"

CanadaZachLink993 years ago

Also Emulator is incredibly inaccurate for a few reasons. Load times are not accurate to console / disc. There are various lag spikes that occur in SPM that do not happen on emulator at the same locations. Also many people have attempted the GBS RTA setup on emulator and couldn't get it on their emulators which proves another inaccuracy.

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CanadaZachLink993 years ago

There's a few things I'd like to clear up here. If we did a console split I would strictly only be for it for other categories. If you split any% into different console categories then its not about beating the game as fast as possible anymore since it is restricting your version. It's not always about having the literal best time on the leaderboards, I would still be content with running the game on a disc if I was unable to purchase a Wii U. Wii U consoles are only 50$ if you know how to look so its not even that terrible. You wont even be required to use a Wii U to get the record still... So its just a silly thing to consider IMO. And again it wouldn't make sense to split any% into categories because of what i explained previously.

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CanadaZachLink993 years ago

Only if they're the wiimario files, data.bin files unfortunately are region locked AFAIK

NmFlash8 likes this
CanadaZachLink993 years ago

No this new glitch is completely different, if you jump into a gold bar while slim you can press 1+2 on the same frame, switch pixls, and move through any solid collision.

CanadaZachLink993 years ago

Look under rules, emulator is allowed before a specific time, for example, for any% any time over 1hr30mins is accepted on emulator.

CanadaZachLink993 years ago

Though, starting out on an English Disc is just fine, You will only lose a few minutes maximum, which can be saved by improving at the game.

Mr_Friki likes this
CanadaZachLink993 years ago

Ideally you would run the Japanese Wii U VC version rather then a disc. Starting out English Wii U VC is recommended because it's not much slower and Japanese has potential to crash on some loading zones.

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CanadaZachLink993 years ago

I think doing a run / watching a run is a good way to understand what exactly to look for as well, so try and focus on understanding how the route works if that makes sense.

CanadaZachLink993 years ago

Yeah there's a few things that you could do that would help a lot:

  1. Join the discord, use the #theories and #discoveries channel to talk about or show discoveries
  2. Download the JP / US savefiles and use them to make savestates all over the game to have efficient glitch hunting
  3. Look into 3D clipping, thats probably the best place to start, since it's a new technique with potential for new applications that are not known yet.
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CanadaZachLink994 years ago

Wii is allowed using a Gamecube disc. They just didn't bother to add the different platform when submitting.

CanadaZachLink994 years ago

No, afaik we only allow real controllers for running this game, as for example playing with a control stick rather then a d-pad is already a huge advantage over other runners, a controller that can mash better for example GCN controller you can mash A and B so much faster then you can mash 1 and 2. The only case is a controller thats a wii remote but modified a bit to feel more comfortable that doesn't give any real advantage.

CanadaZachLink995 years ago

What emu and version can i use to run this game for submitting to the leaderboards?

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