Maryland, USAHirexen and I have been talking and we have decided to change the timing for when the run ends. Time currently ends when Tom's head hits the ground, which is arbitrary, hard to tell when it happens, and is hard to actually split for. There is also the Tom Zombie glitch, which causes him to not die and the game to not end, so this would make sure time does not end before the game is over.
We are going to change the end timing to when the screen is completely black after defeating Tom after the HUD disappears, this is much more definitive to see when the run ends, and also easier to split. This is about 2.5 seconds later than the old timing, so I don't believe it pushes anyone to a higher minute mark.
The start of the run will remain the same, just the final split will change.
If anyone has any issues, let us know here, otherwise everyone's runs will be retimed to be accurate with the new timing rules.
Wrong warps are now part of the Any% run, so I think the current category should be renamed to 'No Wrong Warps' and a new Any% category made for runs that use wrong warps.
We have decided to add more of a full game goal for this game, as the point categories we came up with are really arbitrary. This game has no ending, but according to the TAS notes the game runs out of unique stages and starts repeating after beating Wave 39, so I believe that would make a solid category. I am going to add it but feel free to give any input.
This is a picture that shows the order of the slot machines that contain the warps. The order is the exact same every time, but the speed of each wheel varies. Credit to Yogidamonk for coming up with the order, I just made the picture.
I just got my hands on a US PRG0 Rygar cart, the version you need to be able to do the Any% route, aka bounce off the red bats.
Just wanted to document it so hopefully people will be able to identify more of them.
So from what I've been able to tell, they are for sure a 5 screw. On the back label the will not be an "A" stamped into the upper right corner, if it has an "A" there it will not work. And not sure if it's guaranteed, but the front label of this one does not have 'Made in Japan' printed in the bottom left corner. And of course the board inside says NES-RY-0 PRG, that is the correct version.
The only way to be absolutely sure it's the right version would be to open up a cart and check, but again, the other possibly identifiable characteristics are
-5 Screw -No "A" stamped on back label (I think this is the biggest tell) -No 'Made in Japan' on front label
Pics of the cart https://imgur.com/a/q5AA0
Feel like these should be documented somewhere.
Elephant boss quick kill
Act 4 Strat
The mods are looking at removing Sanaefroggy's 11:58 run on suspicion that it is a TASed run and would like to get some opinions from the community. I have created a video that compared the strats from Sanaefroggy's last 2 PBs. I will just copy whats in the description below. Keep in mind that the all the clips used are from only an hour apart in the same stream. This run was also submitted to the board before verification was required, so no mod actually had to verify it.
This is a video that compares a number of very different strats in Sanaefroggy's last two PBs, a 12:38 and an 11:58, both performed a mere hour apart on the same stream. Strats so different that I don't believe someone would just throw into an amazing run without any practice in between.
4-1 12:38 - Does the normal strat, which is actually faster 11:58 - Does a weird wall clip to get up the ledge, slower
4-3 12:38 - Kills both Tysons and then wall climbs up 11:58 - Kills only one and boosts up onto the wall, harder strat but a little faster
6-2 12:38 - Does normal boost over the gap at the end 11:58 - Does early boost over gap, faster but not something you just throw in without practice
6-3 12:38 - Normal boost up at the start followed by normal left side climb in 2nd room 11:58 - Really strange boost up at the start followed by right side climb in 2nd room, both are super risky and not something to do without practice
6-3 12:38 - Normal, slow looking wall climbs 11:58 - Crazy fast, TAS-like wall climbing. Never seen anyone climb that fast
6-3 12:38 - Normal slow wall climbs 11:58 - More TAS-like climbs
Jaquio 12:38 - Slow strats, intentionally taking a hit up high onto the wall to get slashes in iframes, doesn't do more than 4 damage per round, 5 rounder 11:58 - Fast strats, doesn't take the hits up high, does at least 5 hits per round, 3 rounder
Demon Statue 12:38 - Slow mashing, barely kills the boss 11:58 - Fast mashing, really good kill
Credits 11:58 - After getting a sub 12, and I believe 4th place at the time, during the middle of the credits loads up a fighting game that covers the gameplay, does a combo and then just stands there for 5 minutes. Very strange thing to do at the end of a seemingly amazing run. Possibly covering the gameplay to avoid seeing a 'Movie Ended' text on emu? This part is also cut out of the official submission, but remained in the full vod.
So just comparing the strats between only an hour of attempts it is highly unlikely that it is the same person playing. Anyone that has seriously grinded this game knows this is not how PBs work in this game. Sub 12 is incredibly hard to attain and it takes a ton of grinding and chipping away second by second to get it. It is just not realistic that someone gets all golds and a 40 second PB, with some wildly different strats, to take them to sub 12, since the level of play required is vastly different for this particular game.
Here is a link to the full original broadcast if anyone wants to see it.
So the mods are looking for anyone elses opinion on the matter, because we are heavily leaning towards removing the run based on the evidence that it is a TASed run.
Why is there a top score category when it's a racing game that has a finite amount of tracks? Like if you don't want to actually play the game then you just move on instead of making a lame category for fake WRs. The actual racing categories should be the main category and not an arbitrary top score one, I seriously don't get the point.
Why is turbo allowed for this game when literally every other NES game doesn't not allow it? Because you don't want to mash during the space section?
Turbo is not allowed in other games because it gives an unfair advantage against people that don't have turbo. Not sure why this board is different.
I have thought about running this game, but I probably won't because using turbo goes against the spirit of speedrunning. If you can't handle the mashing then you probably shouldn't run the game imo.
In light of a recent string of suspicious offline emulator runs, we have updated the rules regarding emulator submissions. The new rules are below and are a small measure that we hope can help us show that a run has been done live and hasn't been prefabricated. Feel free to give us any feedback, but we feel these rules are not intrusive and shouldn't effect how anyone does runs. From this point on these rules will be enforced and any run not meeting them will be rejected.
- Reset/power on from the previous run must be included in your run submission video.
- Specify the emulator used in the run and its version in the comments.
- It is strongly encouraged to use a frame counter and input display.
- It is strongly encouraged to show the emulator window with the border included.
In light of a recent string of suspicious offline emulator runs, we have updated the rules regarding emulator submissions. The new rules are below and are a small measure that we hope can help us show that a run has been done live and hasn't been prefabricated. Feel free to give us any feedback, but we feel these rules are not intrusive and shouldn't effect how anyone does runs. From this point on these rules will be enforced and any run not meeting them will be rejected.
- Reset/power on from the previous run must be included in your run submission video.
- Specify the emulator used in the run and its version in the comments.
- It is strongly encouraged to use a frame counter and input display.
- It is strongly encouraged to show the emulator window with the border included.
In light of a recent string of suspicious offline emulator runs, we have updated the rules regarding emulator submissions. The new rules are below and are a small measure that we hope can help us show that a run has been done live and hasn't been prefabricated. Feel free to give us any feedback, but we feel these rules are not intrusive and shouldn't effect how anyone does runs. From this point on these rules will be enforced and any run not meeting them will be rejected.
- Reset/power on from the previous run must be included in your run submission video.
- Specify the emulator used in the run and its version in the comments.
- It is strongly encouraged to use a frame counter and input display.
- It is strongly encouraged to show the emulator window with the border included.
Any reason why the 4:01 on Youtube isn't on the board? You can add them manually if they don't have an account. Seems like a legit run, just wondering why it isn't on the board.
Hey, I've got a run to submit, and I know some others do too, but I feel like there should be 2 categories for this game. The run I did would be Any%, since it uses a Game Over to beat the game. And then the run that is already on the board should probably move over to a new category, Any% No Game Over. It makes sense to make 2 categories since the endings are pretty different.
