Also if you're running a game that heavily depends on servers (as in you can't play "offline"), those usually have issues with loadless timers. Most LiveSplit scripts directly access the game's memory to read whether the game is loading or not, therefore it's possible to be extremely accurate if someone finds the right things that qualify for load removal.

However, many games that rely on servers also have a protection against this and if the game finds out you're accessing its memory, it might get you banned in that game.

So in short, if the game is not playable offline, we have much less freedom with it and it's often the reason why such games use RTA.

Manual IGT is only supposed to be done by the moderators. I will implement 1.2.1 load removal soon, please ask next time.

You're right, the #2 run uses this as well and I simply forgot about it. However it is an edge case and if this community ever got bigger, people might not agree with that, so even if unlikely, keep in mind that there is a chance.

Oh, I see, I think it is checkpoint based unfortunately.

Hey, I've made an autosplitter for this some time ago and while it's available, the load time removed is not applied to the leaderboards. But you should be able to use it anyway.

"moderator does not accept the mileage from the player"

There is one run pending in Mafia. It's one day old. We got 2 new verifiers. Why do you keep saying that we ignored the community when we 1. verified his run before even knowing he made a forum post, 2. took precaution and added 2 new verifiers.

And you are not gonna threaten anyone here, what's wrong with you people? First there's a guy who's gonna use what I do with my body as an argument and then you're gonna threaten violence on @Pash_OK? This is not okay.

Please, stop bothering us with stuff we've already fixed, stop threatening our community members, stop insulting us, this is tiring.

@PakLomak We literally got 2 more verifiers just so that we have it a bit easier - that definitely is part of solving the issue.

Also, you've mentioned that we were simply asked why verifications take so long. That is not the truth. We were literally asked why we just don't kick out people of the moderators team, that's quite a different and quite rude question. Besides, we did explain exactly why the verifications take too long - run length, too few mods and nobody else interested in modding (yes, he made a list of people who want to mod, but he just made that up, most of those people didn't have time, contrary to what he said), and finally, because we have our own lives, be it work or private life. It isn't an excuse just because you call it an excuse.

Please, stop spamming our forums, we've done the absolute maximum we can (and there's no unverified runs except one which is there for like 1 day). We handle community decisions on our Discord and there was much more done to solve the problems than you think and you'd definitely see that people do understand why verifications can take longer and that they're okay with it and understand it's just not easy to get more verifiers.

1. If a moderator reserves a run to check and is slower than other moderator, the order will not be as submitted.

2. The rules say 21 days (I mistakenly said 14) is the time mods generally have to verify runs - however, that is general, for longer runs it's understandable that they might take longer. Especially with newer runners where we have to be more careful. We didn't say "your race is being checked by another moderator", because that was not the question and most of us found the thread after it was verified, it was completely random, the verifier didn't even know about the complain and had it in progress at the time. No, nobody was being arrogant about it, we gave a reasonable and calm explanation.

3. Because I can verify a 10 minute run in a bus on the way to work. I can't do the same thing with a 3 hours long run when I have 4 hours of free time daily. Longer runs require more time. We do watch those runs.

The length of runs was mentioned because of the time verifier needs to reserve time, not about whether it's legit or not. You need to understand that every community has a bit different approach to verification - and in our case, there was never an issue explaining why the verifications take longer and the only time when someone was actually upset about it was when someone who was supposed to check it literally forgot about the run. If we verify newer run before an older one, it's either because 1. the submission was earlier, 2. another moderator reserved it for checking, 3. it's an IL which doesn't require reserving time for, 4. mod watched the run on stream.

Look, we've always been open to getting more mods and we were always nice to our community. Read speedrun.com rules before being so invasive and toxic to us just because your friend got banned for being transphobic.

Again, we're trying hard to make a solution and you're not helping by being so negative about it. Locking the thread again. Please, stop spamming our community with issues that we know about.

This was no case of "bad English". We've had other people in the community that are not too good with English and nobody had to go as far as to talking about what I'm doing with my body, the translators are not so bad that they will just accidentally put "guy who thinks he's a girl" into a post. That literally cannot happen without you writing something at least close to it. Besides, what I do with my body doesn't have an impact on my moderation skills, so there was absolutely no reason to point it out.

I have 2 jobs, obviously I only have time on the weekends to verify runs. Now I'm running a 3 day marathon which is like 16 hours of stress 3 days in a row. Doesn't happen all the time, but when I'm running a marathon, that month is gonna look pretty bad.

We got one new moderator so far, one other applied but wasn't qualified for the position unfortunately. However, our moderation team clearly sees that there's no interest from the community to verify runs - the runners don't have 3 hours on hand. Maybe someone will still message us, but it's just not looking too good. Happens with long runs a lot.

Now your friend did not politely come and ask about his verification. He just came in accusing everyone, blaming us for not having time, naming people that "are interested in moderating" (none of them ever messaged us about it, one of them even confirmed that they don't have time for that, why lie about other people runners as well?). Then he chose to talk about my private life which is none of his business and has no relation to this whatsoever.

We've always been friendly to our community, if someone reminded us of verification, we usually explained the queue or just verified it because someone claimed it and forgot to do it or suddenly didn't have time. We've been creating categories based on the community's requests and always tried to find the best possible solutions to problems. But the solution to this is not to just give people verification rights without their consent, they have to tell us they want to verify runs, then we can give them such role.

None of you are running the game and have no idea what the community and moderation team is like. He was a new runner and usually new runners high at the leaderboard require more thorough checking.

The 14 days thing is kinda my bad, just remembered the rules a bit more strict lol. But it's still a general rule that every community can have a bit different approach to.

Excuse me, what? This is no place to share your hateful views and it's definitely not welcome and has never happened in our community.

Locking the thread - we've explained that people are not interested in moderating the game and if they are, they know how to apply for such position. If you're willing to be hateful towards any community member, you're not welcome.

@TGR It obviously makes a difference. I moderate multiple games and it's usually pretty easy to verify something like a 10-20 minute run. I might even watch it at 100% speed while having a break at work. Basically requires me to only reserve a few minutes.

For Mafia, we have ILs (5-20 min runs), category extensions (up to 7 hours even) and regular runs (3-5 hours). For average runs, I will sometimes skip through driving sections and play at quite a high speed, so it can take like 40 minutes to verify a top 25+ run. Now if I want to verify a more competitive run where people would complain if anything was wrong, I'll play at like 1.5 speed, I'll be watching the entire thing to make sure nothing is tempered with - even if timer gets stuck for 2 seconds, it's an issue that we have to check for. Now imagine 2-4 hours of paying careful attention to that as well as to whatever happens in the game.

Most of the moderators have jobs and it's not quite as easy to reserve hours for verification. And no, there's no "moderators for attention", for example, people such as @Lembox and @Fuzimi are community leaders and it wouldn't be fair to kick them out because their job isn't verifying runs.

Please, avoid toxic behavior, we're a welcoming community and you can politely remind us rather than calling out for things that are out of our control.

Buddy, you're used to running 5-30 minute runs. That's all you've been doing for those 5 years. And that's a valid thing and with such short runs, you'll usually get a pretty quick verification. But you have to understand that coming to a 3 hours long game (with some categories much longer than that), it'll just not be realistic to get the verification done in 14 days everytime. Sometimes you'll get it the same day, sometimes you'll have to wait for more than 14, that's just how it is.

14 days is the minimum amount of time you have to wait before even contacting the mods to give them a reminder, doesn't mean we're guaranteed or obligated to verify your run in 14 days.

If there are people who have the time to verify runs, cool, go for it. Send us an application. But nobody's doing that, we're not gonna give someone moderator rights and tell them: "Hey, you're an active runner, go verify runs", that's just not gonna work. They have to ask us. It's a voluntary thing.

First of all, I'd just like to point out that moderators have 14 days as a standard time to verify runs. You shouldn't bother anyone before the 2 week limit passes. However, you also have to consider that unlike most games that will verify your run within those 14 days, we have 3-5 hour long runs to verify (don't forget there are category extensions too) and sometimes it just takes time. - Just as an example, I vividly remember spending hours with @Fuzimi analyzing one runner's runs as there was a suspicion of cheating.

Now this is not to say that happens with every run, it certainly doesn't, but don't be too surprised if you're a new runner.

I honestly don't remember anyone reliable messaging us about wanting to be a verifier. - The only time this happened that I know about, was someone from a group of people that trash talked the whole mod team and certain people from the community.

If there is anyone who's willing to do verifications that we also know is a good community leader, we will definitely consider the offer. Feel free to message me on Discord and we'll happily assess your application. This has never been a problem.

Today, I accidentally found out that we could possibly clip through some objects which could save some time in the run. Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to investigate every possible place where this could be used, but I think the community can try and figure something out.

Here's a video of me demonstrating the glitch:

Hello, we decided to split the PC and Console categories, because they seem to differ a little bit. Some tricks will be much harder to execute, which would give a huge advantage to PC users and would make submitting console runs kinda pointless.

There are some things that are literally impossible on the console version (FPS-based glitches and some triggers through walls), so this division seems like a good choice to us.

Obviously, the console versions lack a loadless timer which could put them much lower on the leaderboards as well.

@sanzeau I believe that is actually possible. You could also filter the hardcore runs if you wanted to see only those.

As of now, nothing should happen if you activate it in LiveSplit (I made the script do nothing). Whenever Blizzard calms down with the patches, it might be reused for things such as splitting (or even load removal again), so if any of you wonder why it's still in LiveSplit, that's why. But if you forget to deactivate, nothing bad should happen.