mod edit original submission time was 14:21, retimed to 14:20 based on the beginning of Simbas throw animation

Yeah, the exploitless category is a collection of rules set down by a vote back in the day. As everyone is allowed their own opinion but it doesn't make sense to have a board for each variation of the rules, a common ground was found and the current ruleset formed from what I remember. At the same time, I believe some of your ideas of what are glitches in the game are based on false information 1001gameslive, as you're stating that causing the 3rd hyena to despawn is an exploit for example. I'm fairly sure you're referring to the Elephant Graveyard levels end, we do not cause the hyena to despawn, the 1st and 2nd hyenas simply drop down from the exact same location and frame, so if you do optimal movements to kill them as fast as possible, they never get the chance to separate from their stacked locations and you end up killing them simultaneously.

While the clipping done in Exile is most definetly an exploit, you are actually wrong in stating that it's taking advantage of iframes to go through the wall, all the skips in the level are based on platform geometry and Simbas hitboxes. I think 3 or even 4 are known which can be done without taking damage, the one known as Exile 1 simply has the thorn pit next to it forcing the jump during iframes. It may seem like the iframes are being used as part of the skip but they are simply a side-effect of happening to be the fastest method of movement and setting up consistent movement and timing setups.

I do not mean these as trying to prove your preference for running the game glitchless wrong, I'm well familiar with many runners preferring to try speedrun games without utilizing game glitches. In my opinion it is simply too much of a grey line in Lion King, as proven by the exploitless category to call any run glitchless, as we don't know if some of the used speedrunning techniques are the result of errors in game code or overlooked level / game mechanic design.

To each their own, you're ofc welcome to do runs with a ruleset you set for yourself and the any% board is the correct for the run. I'll need to retime the run before verification as the run stop seems a bit late, I'll get to that tomorrow when I have full access to the tools I usually use.

I do wonder what you believe the current ruleset to allow that you consider an exploit compared to your own ruleset. I watched through the current record run again and couldn't spot anything that you didn't use in your run and in addition you are performing swipe-jumping to move simbas hitbox mid-jump for height and killing monsters while not attacking. Back when the exploitless category was originally created a discussion took place where rules were formed and the name 'exploitless' describes the leaderboard accurately for the spirit of the ruleset.

Hmm, I don't necessarily see that adding glitchless runs to the Disney collection would be beneficial as the exploitless category already has rather few runners and there wouldn't be much comparison runs. What I would be in favor of instead would be to add a mention the Exploitless% rules that the Disney Collection version is an accepted platform to do the runs in. I'm fairly sure that is the category you'd be hoping to run/see more as clipping was one of the major rules discussed early on for that category.

This would require the addition of disallowing L+R inputs to the ruleset as DCG by default doesn't limit this input type out, but I do think it would be in the spirit of the ruleset. I'll bring this up with the other moderators to get their input in aswell.

Hello all, already had a small discussion with SBDWolf but also want to put it out here publically that I would be interested in the position. Been around the LK scene for a bit over year and a half now, began with SNES and have been keeping myself active with sciencing new stuff and competing/running the game in live events in Finland. I try to keep myself a voice of neutrality and making sure everyone gets their voices heard and viewpoints considered in decisionmaking so would like to join the moderating team to keep things running smoothly and fairly to everyone, new and old alike.

I don't have prior moderating experience with srcom boards, but I am active in the Finnish speedrunning scene, holding a board position in one of our speedrunning associations, working as part of a team organizing speedrunning, developing tools when time allows (like the MS-DOS LK autosplitter) and taking part in different speedrunning related activities whenever the opportunity presents itself.

One thing to remember about making any of these a button choice subcategory is that it might break any API calls that fetch runs on these leaderboards. For example when choosing a category for splits in Livesplit, you cannot choose subcategories at all. As an example with Cajinks suggestion, it would always show the category as any% or No exploits and find only a single WR time there (easy) for automated WR showing.

Currently even though no exploits is under 'Misc' tab on the site, you can still choose it as a separate run category in livesplit, allowing easy distinction between split files. At least personally I find this a great feature to have when combined with the autosplitter, as it allows me to keep a very consistent track of my split progression by category.

In my eyes having it be a subcategory under easy any% might even end up hiding it more than the current location under the misc tab, and due to the API/livesplit issues above, I would vote to keep it a misc category,

This topic definetly sounds interesting to me and I wouldn't mind partaking in this. Out of interest will this be only be part of a coursework or done for any study group that publishes their findings? If it's only for a coursework, would you mind also posting the findings of your interview publicly after the coursework is done?