GermanyHello ZertYoup,
I am with the two posters above me, but if you feel like doing a speedrun of the demo of Limbo, then go for it, nobody is stopping you. :D You don't need a leaderboard at src to run something. I have done hard route segment blindfolded speedruns myself even though there's no "official" site to show them.
Since the demo is just the first ~3.5 minutes of the game, there's really not much point. Had it been a completely different demonstration, like the Amnesia demo or Half-Life Uplink, the odds would be different. But now? I don't see a point - but as I said, don't let that discourage you from running the demo, if you feel like it and think it could be fun and challenging. :)
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Just so y'all know, you can breathe up in relieve: We don't have to debate about that "death egg" anymore, I've tested it and the tests have shown that the game indeed counts the egg as collected, so we can all keep doing this strat. :)
Damn, I saw it too late... since src doesn't support sending private messages, you can use this link in the meantime (and others until I revoke it):
Speaking of fast eggs: Next week I'll do some investigation on the Going Down fast egg, collecting while dying. It could be that the game doesn't register the collection of the egg as collected, in which case I'd declare this method of "collecting" it as non legit. But we can debate about it. :)
Hello all! I don't know how many of the "old runneurs" are still active, but new members come along every once in a while. If you want an invite, pop me a message. I'd love to welcome old and new runners alike. :)
Already added. http://www.speedrun.com/THOTH/full_game#Procedural_Levels
Edit: Renamed the category
Hey jy, thanks for your reply (hey, that rhymes!)
the orb activation cycles have actually been figured out and are not random at all. :) What we refer to are the loading times between activating the level orb from the hub when the avatar falls down. These times seem to differ from player to player and makes it an unfair (dis-)advantage.
That is to say, the "finish as far to the right as possible" strat for boss 1 is, sadly, still necessary if you want to have a good time unlike me in my pb.
Hello fellow runners,
I am happy that this game still receives some attention from a small community. :) It was feared, quite some time ago, that one day this game might be optimized enough so that a very specific timing could or could not matter. With more and more runner achieving a sub17 time, this time practically has arrived. On the discord we were discussing the means of it and it seems to be only fair, to use a new timing method for the runs that doesn't include load times. Which frames are to be cut off is not 100% set in stone but for now we think, before the start of a level, the moment the orb disappears until either the trail appears or the avatar lands on the ground is a good option. Ideally, this new timing setup will be present in the upcoming autosplitter, hopefully. Expect the change to happen some time during the next week. littlebear, with the help of psvm, did a very good job, calculating the new times and all the runs will get the updated w/o load time in an extra column. I hope this won't create too many inconveniences for new runners and will, in fact, only make it more fair for all of us. :) Cheers!
Sorry for the late response here, I hope this is still going to be read. :)
Edit: Ah, stupid me, I only now read the first post, I want to make it easier for you to sort this:
This year was not just my first ESA but my first speedrunning event I visited in general and being a runner kind of made a small dream I was working towards for the past two years come true. :') That the event turned out to be quite differently than I imagined was mostly on my end, but there's a few things I was surprised about on the organisational end.
Experience as an Attendee:
With all the feedback I'm about to give, I want to get rid of, at very first, that I am aware what a HUGE amount of organisation such an event needs and considering, the speedrunning community is nothing more but a small nerdy subculture of gamers, ESA never faced problems of catastrophical extent and I think we can all agree that things could have worked out a lot worse.
Also, I want to start with a very positive remark: The honesty and trust that was present in the community the whole event. People left their consoles, equipment, cell phones and all sorts of different stuff lying around only to find it again safe and soud (at least most of the time, as far as I'm aware). I once forgot my Apple earpod headphones at a pc and instincitvely thought "damn, they're gone now" but then I checked and they were still there, half a day later, on the table next to the pc. I am happy to see that there is a community on earth that still makes something out of honesty and doesn't steal all the stuff right away. I've been at other events and made way worse experiences. But all of this leads me to the first critical thought I had:
Was there too much trust in everyone? I was a bit surprised that nobody seemed to care if you wore the bracelet or not. You could just walk in wihtout having bought a ticket and nobody would have bothered, just wear a longsleeve, nobody would notice. Also, there was absolutely zero checking whether you had paid for the mass housing or not. I do not want to accuse anybody from the speedrunning community of being dishonest and I love how everybody trusts me that I did all the payments but it made the whole thing feel a bit unprofessional to me. I'm not sure if this was all intended; it's just a feeling I had.
I don't have complaints about the mass housing, except I was a bit surprised that it was pitch black the whole time but I guess that's good when people want to sleep at any time of the day. One minor complaint would be that some of the soap dispensers on the toilets were broken and the toilets didn't have any toilet brushes. Makes it hard if you want to leave the toilet clean but you can't. :/ I was totally okay with the showers being a few minues away though. Another small thing about the mass housing: It said it was open until noon on monday on the thread here, which implies 12pm to me. We were all thrown out at 8:30. For me that was okay, since I was about to leave then anyway but for others who had planned their trip differently, they were still asleep at the time. Maybe next time an earlier time should be set as the deadline, so nobody needs to panic in the morning. :)
About the venue itself: I really enjoyed the atmosphere of runners practicing and showing what they could in the hall. Since it was in the same room as the stream, I sometimes wonderes, however, how seriously the streaming couch is to be taken. Sometimes the crowds playing Mario Party or Smash or whatever were louder than the audience for the speedrun, sometimes there was a loud applause when the runner needed serious time. I couldn't help but feel that it seemed a tiny bit disrespectful to the runners. Sure, you have this big room you've got to take advantage of it, but the stream felt a bit like side event sometimes and I was a bit sad that a few runners didn't get the support they deserved. (On a side note: A similar experience is described by the popular pastebin by mirrored, where he describes a similar experience at AGDQ13 in his reply to the apology.)
We all know about the technical difficulties that occured and I'm sure it's in everybody's interest to make it better next year. I'm not going too deep into that, I think we all know what went wrong and hopefully why. Of course, I am sad, my small run lost all hope of filling a gap in the schedule, since there weren't any gaps and the schedule just extended itself further and further away. Speaking of the schedule: It would be super neat to read the run estimate somewhere; even if you can just watch at the start time to the next run, you still have to subtract setup time and do a bit thinking for yourself to guess how long the run you might want to see could take.
Experience as a runner:
All the above mentioned freedom made it so the pcs were occupied most of the time. I never knew if the person who played on it was a runner here and getting oiled up for their run or "just" another attendee, practicing their run none the less. For me, as a pc runner who doesn't have a laptop, I took advantage of the early hours (between 6 and 10am) to practice my run but sometimes I wondered if anybody checked if the pcs were actually used by the runners who had to be ready for their run the most or by non-runners.
About my own run, I can tell, I was a bit surprised that I got asked "which machine is the game installed on?" when I got up there, as it wasn't installed at all. I was ¤extremely¤ busy the week before ESA and couldn't possibly keep up with every thread and read all the posts and the discord messages, so I assumed, all the important data was there in the first posts in the pinned threads, which I did read through numerous times. All other communication was Fatzke who asked me, if I would come to ESA to do the race but other than that I didn't get any information what to do to prepare the run. I'm sorry if I have overlooked it somewhere and sometimes I am really blind, but I just didn't know where to refer to before my run, so I just assumed I walk up there and bring my stuff with me. Fortunately, installing the game from USB stick really was quite quick and the true reason why our setup took so long was afaik the HDMI splitter not doing what it was supposed to do.
I don't want to dig up the whole issue with the race again, with the ESA laptop being extremely dark so that both Yajijy and Fatzke messed up a few things in their race runs, we all know about this by now.
Also, is it necessary to use XSplit when OBS is the actually superior program? :D (Please don't take this seriously)
SO, this being said, I have definite plans to visit another ESA and I'd love to be a runner again. :) I'd also be open to support the tech crew to help make the overall experience better than this year. See you all next year, hopefully. <3
Hey all, Zet from ESA here. We made it happen. :') Limbo was raced at ESA yesterday. Unfortunately we had technical difficulties during the setup and Yajijy had to play on a way darker screen than he wanted, so he had a few random deaths that wouldn't have happened otherwise. So, my victory was rigged in a way, Yajijy would have beaten my ass if it hadn't been for these technical problems.
As for me, I had a blast time none the less and it was cool showing the speedrun of Limbo to a broader audience at last. I don't think it will happen at any other international marathon though, so it's a shame the race was rigged the way it was. Still, we shouldn't complain about the past here and be happy we were able to run the game live. Thanks for everyone who watched. This probably marks the end of an era since many of long term runners have no more interest in improving their pb times. Thanks again! :')
Hey david, thanks for finding a consistent setup on this one. :) I did some testing when I initially found it and concluded that - due to the box usually landing way further to the left than it would stay with the standard Zetbox setup - you are unfortunately not saving any time at all. :( Also, since the piston is already triggered and moving in the big room and Zetbox works already the way that you reach the fastest cycle Yolo piston like, Zetbox 2.0 will unfortunately not save any additional time, it might only make the yolo piston a bit easier to achieve. I think however, since you need to jump further to the left after activating the ladder, even climbing over the box and climbing takes a huge amount of time, I don't think, Zetbox 2.0 is useful - if there isn't a way to have the right box land very close to the button without activating it.
Thanks! :)
Am I too late to ask to join?
Hello! I was indeed looking into creating one and tried to look for the specific markers in the RAM that I needed with Cheat Engine. Unfortunately I soon had to realize that a brutal beginner with these tools like me is absolutely unable to get the smallest of a glimpse how to eliminate the data I don't need.
If you are experienced in creating auto splitters, I'd love to assist with my speedrun experience of the game and I'd also love to learn from you. :D
Edit: You're welcome on the 140 discord as well to talk about this issue. :)
On the discord I suggested we start the timer when we press a button when the INSIDE title screen with the first checkpoint is loaded and end the timer the blob crashes through the woodplanks; for the alternate ending the timer could end when the plug is pulled out of the wall. I haven't heard confirmation fo many yet but those who saw it thought this was reasonable. I'm open for other suggestions though.
Hello! Many Limbo runners are considering to switch to inside once it came out for pc and if it's runnable.
For routing and running purposes, we have created a Discord server and we invite everyone who is interested in joining. :)
Here's the permanent link:
ICYMI: IT'S HAPPENING! Méléagant, Yajijy and me will race (according to current schedule) July 29th at 8:17CET. :)
Any European Runner here who'd like to sit on the couch for commentary?
Edit: Schedule changed the time, corrected that.
I'm not entirely sure yet when I arrive, but I plan to do so some time on the 23rd and will stay until the end. I'd be up for it to squeeze in my 140 run that got past the 2nd round of cuts and I am hereby shortening its estimate down to 18:30.
Looking forward to meeting you all. :)
