Hello fellow Speedrunners, Guess what ? I'm French, it's already the 15th here, so let's open the Board !
All the categories and Rules are posted, be sure to read all that mess, it was a nightmare to do. I'll try to track the patches on each versions.
For the future categories, Individual level will be considered and of course, it has been confirmed, there will be DLC as well.
Have fun, let's Break this game !
Quick question for rules - under game rules there is a bit about runs not being accepted based on platform. Which platforms are having issues that could cause the run to be rejected?
Thanks!
The line down is about the patch you have to enter, some people could've been confused by the numbers so i added which version they correspond in the rules.
all characters in 1 category? welcome adam speedruns only LUL
Yeah all characters in 1 category doesn't make any sense does it? Someone could have a perfect floyd run, but end up in 54th place because of the 53 average Adams above it.
I agree, it doesn't makes any sense. People will only run Adam or just 1 char, so it doesn't encourage playing other characters when in reality, the runs changes a lot based on the character picked.
The characters are all fast and Patch will Nerf Adam obviously as well as some broken moves and abusive infinite from other characters, Blaze seem to get it and some retro characters as well. For now i've seen 0 runs proving he's top tier, everyone is at the same speed so far.
You're talking about 54th positions but there's no runs. No data, no comparisons.
I need those data to see if there's really an issue.
The last point would be, this is a Speedrun board, competitively you have to take the best character and not your pocket pick, if you wanna push someone else it's up to you only. Versus fighting game doesn't ban the top tier characters for that too.
(If you really want to only compare your character there's also the option to filter by characters, cause it's a variable, i'll arrange them to be in order of the categories so you can select your character name and it will only show runs with him.)
I agree with Pikachu, themightybybill and Alimart. Some characters like Axel will not be taken at all vs a character like Adam with infinite combo / dash etc....
I really hope the runs will be character based very soon. I had already the idea to learn each character but with the actual categories it will be just useless clearly.
I can understand why it's frustrating in a way but the characters have their own speed mobility, it won't work on game modes like Mania (due to special consuming too much HP) but floyd can go as fast as adam just by air special, like axel and they ALL have infinite combos.
I find that very curious that Axel is so much hated on boards when he's as good as the others.
I can't separate them into 200 categories just because people want 200 WR. It would've been a consideration if the game didn't had Retro characters, different builds on all platforms and so many pointless difficulties. Sometimes you have to make tough decisions.
Now we can only test this board and see how the new patch / future DLC will change the game balance.
One thing i can always try if Adam is really a problem would be to
- Remove pointless difficulties (Normal/Hardest) that are just Minor tweaks. Easy change the run by adding spam specials, Hard is the real Normal mode, Mania is the complete Hardest mode.
- Force all the Retro characters categories in Misc.
- Open the full cast categories
I like the idea you said about to have a category for each character for the main cast only and Misc. for Retro i think it's the best way to go!
Didn't played enough to give my opinion about difficulties for the moment.
Delete all the extra Characters, Character 1P, and Character P1 variables you've made for each category.
Have a single Character 1P that applies to every category (and make sure Values Obsolete Each Other setting is off) Character 2P is the only one that should be category specific.
The way you have it at the moment makes the filter menu a huge headache because every single one of those player 1 character variables shows up for every category, making it hard to tell which one actually works.
You could also check "Use as sub-category" on the variable to have it automatically subcategorise character without manually creating billions of categories. This would also make the main cast / retro subcategorisation unnecessary. *Edit: But thinking about it, this would probably mess up 2 player categories a bit so... I dunno. Just making the filter menu cleaner to use is probably ok.
I think that what you are not taking into consideration, Izumi, is that depending on the character it truly changes the strategy fighting a boss or clearing a segment in the most optimal way. So yeah, Adam will be nerf I guess okey sure, but that doesn't change that the runs are completely different, atleast that's my opinion. So If you put in the same leaderboard, 5 characters that have different ways to speedrun the game, that's what in my opinion is a completely mess and not separating every character from the main roster of the game.
@Sm_Izumi did you play this game? my time on mania for cherry is 1:07 Anthopants has 1:18 floyd time, why ? did you think Antho playing bad ? the same with adam, adam will be faster than cherry, axel will be slower, blaze in middle. that stupid idea make all characters in 1 category, i can understand retro characters, but not main, the same with sor 1-2-3 why all characters has individual category? like in sor 1 you can do the same with all characters, but characters still has individual category. you make this game right now ---> speedrun on adam or go away
Is there going to be a story mode category? That is what I have been running as well as co-op on it as well
I want to support Pikachu, each character should have its own board with the ability to choose the level of difficulty. Retro characters at your discretion.
Lmfao “you make this game speedrun on Adam or go away” it’s not like we took away the option for you to choose which character you chose. Sorry some characters aren’t the fastest. What do you want a speedrun or challenge run?
@Faust4712 sure make the same with another sor games, why not? also it's your choiсe, i don't think someone will speedrun on floyd if adam faster.
