Oh this again. What I love is the guy in question didn't bother to PM or even let the mods know via this very forum his run was a fake. He posted a YT vod and made it in such a way to get a load of views and cause some stupid drama. Guy is a joke and his supporters are stupid as shit.
Oh, of course, Rott. Everyone knows making a cheat run, letting it sit there for 6months and not letting the mods know anything about it and then making a video shitting on them is totally the way to improve SRC's modding. Dude is the paragon of speedrunning integrity. I now see why this came up again... LoanSharkJoe2 you deserved the ban and the mods here didn't do it to you. You and your stupid dick riders just need to let it go and stop being idiots.
If you're going to test mods with a cheated run, you do it like the guy who made this video. That's the classy/respectful way to do it.
When one has a concern about how a leaderboard is ran or concerns about a specific run, you have to speak up, you have to bring it to the attention of the game's community AND its leadership right from the start.
Pulling a stunt like what LoanSharkJoe did is not the answer and no matter what excuses he will say to justify his actions, he still failed to communicate with the community on these issues he quite clearly had over how the leaderboard was ran prior to when the video was made.
I of course am saying all this under the assumption that he actually cares about the integrity of the leaderboard.
Regardless, he needs to go to great lengths to build back trust with this community after the actions he's committed (and let's be honest here, it's probably going to take more than that now with his most recent jab at another member in the community). Otherwise, it's time for him and his followers to move on
i don't run this game, but here's my 2cents. It's really not uncommon for runs to get verified without being watched, i have also encountered this on a handfull of boards, to begin with it really fucks with the integrity of the leaderboard. There's also lots of cases where runs are only watched if they beat a certain time criteria. I understand the point this guy is trying to make but he's going about it the wrong way. In conclusion he does have a point, a video with the fceux play button on it making it through the cracks is kinda unacceptable. But cheating and expecting not to get banned is also hillarious.
It's very clear the creator of that video does not care about SRC, GnG, whether or not the moderators are doing their job proper, or about being honest. I think he chose GnG specifically because the title is recognizable in name only. While it's a classic for some people, it's very much an inactive speedrun.
Creating a TAS with the intent of not only trying to get moderators banned (he makes every attempt to show their names when possible), but to use the acceptance of it down the road to try and catapult himself into the bubble of "the speedrunning community sucks so I'll shit on it to make money" is obvious and laughable.
His response video to being banned just cements how much of a con job it really is. Taking the route of the victim, propping up his channel and discord, and putting on display other certain "famous members of the speedrunning community" chiming in on his video makes his goal that much more clear.
Not knowing the finer details of what happened, when it happened, I can't speak on behalf of the moderators. What I can say is that moderation isn't a job. It's not something that is handled by top men who skim over every frame. And what might be an obvious TAS to some, might not be the same to others. I'm not sure if they just accepted it without viewing it, or what they did, but the fact that the cheater in question didn't submit a WR time makes his intent even more clear.
I can say from my own perspective that the reason I try to take verification seriously, and the reason I take so long to verify, is because I've dealt with and rejected fake and/or cheated runs in the past, and the interactions with those types is never fun. I'm just one guy though, and I can't skim every run completely, so one may have slipped by, but I feel I've caught them all. Still, I can only imagine what would happen if some kid with no intent other than to further himself got a fake run past me...
Maybe the OP should hesitate attacking moderators when he's merely an outsider looking in. I will say though thanks for pointing out the existence of that video, as well as that channel. I look forward to pointing to it when people ask me why others cheat.
I'm probably giving people notifications from necroing this thread, but couldn't help notice this guy did not even realize emulator submissions were allowed for the game. Incredibly low behavior, no doubt done for self-promotion, and it's super depressing youtube audiences fall for this kind of thing so readily. 8/16-bit games communities do not deserve such disparaging treatment - it's all volunteer work and done on a very limited time schedule!
why are emulator submissions allowed in the nes section? but yeah im more sympathetic than him i understand that sometimes you are tired or feeling off and miss things and I never read the description of a youtube video either. in fact im more surprised that no one else took a look at it and notified the moderators that something is off.
@spartaman64 There's no harm in it. NES emus are very accurate. There are no gameplay differences between a NES emulator and console. You could argue it could be unfair when competing for a WR because of controller differences, etc., but in most cases you'd be just limiting accessibility. And IMO on less active leaderboards there's no need to be uptight about scrutiny - it's like vandalism on wikipedia - it can be reverted easily.
I will probably link the NES emulator guide that has been posted on other leaderboards to the rules tab to ensure people are using the right emulators at some point when I have more time. If there are irregularities people notice with the game running on any emulator currently established to be accurate for speedrunning, you are free to mention them so I become aware of them.
Anyway the mod team has been shaken up slightly and I am now appointed as a moderator. So with that said, moving forward, any submission will be thoroughly looked over by yours truly to ensure we don't have another situation like this happen again. This includes runs verified by other mods. Should be easy since this board is currently very inactive (like pretty much every other game I moderate).
However, do expect verifications by me to be slow because of this but I'm sure there will be no complaints on that note. I value my spare time.
Going to leave this thread open if people have any further concerns that need to be brought up but next time a new thread pops up complaining about the old mod teams' ineptitude because they watched LoanSharkJoe's video, it is automatically getting locked AND deleted. You have been warned.
