Overlooked but not forgotten, I decided to not only really give Toshinden 3 a fair shake since being tasked with the leaderboard way back. I decided to really dig deep into every character, and try and understand this game.
Through doing this, I realized a bit of better way to set the leaderboard, more in line with standard fighting game leaderboards and adding many missing things. I hope fans of the series give this one a chance, with probably the biggest cast of characters in the game, there are many interesting things to find, and possibly still times to improve.
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Comprehensive rules have been added. With standard formatting
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Category rules were added as well.
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Properly made it so that the difficulty of Arcade is now a sub category.
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Condensed the Arcade category, since difficulty was added.
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Removed the round variable. There is literally zero reason to change it from the default. Since the default is already set to one. Not sure why this was ever added to begin with, but its gone now, there were only 3 submissions on this one, and didn't compare well to the 1 round.
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Character value set to not obsolete so you can have multiple runs on a difficulty as long as its a different character.
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Characters reordered by place in the actual game select menu.
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Character variable updated and added Abel, Naru, Schultz, Tau, Atahua, Leon, Zola, Toujin, Adam, Balga, Miss Til, Ten Count, Judgement, Rachael, Cuiling
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Even though a lot of characters play similar there are minor differences in special, and strings a majority of the time. Some characters like Adam are completely different to their counterpart.
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Updated everyones runs, double verified, and attached the character variable to them.
Use this thread or the fighting game speedrun discord if you had a request or comment about the leaderboard!
Not happy the round thing has been removed, killed my interest in going for ones that had been empty to see the different in difficulty. Did the actual runners have a say in this or did you make this very hefty and huge change solely on your own desire?
Again the default was moved from its original value of 1 to go UP toward more rounds increase. Usually for speedruns we go down, this game in general is meant for one round and its again, THE DEFAULT. Not a huge hefty change. It shouldn't have been changed in the first place. The other ones had been empty for a very long time. Sorry your unhappy but please focus on speedrunning the game as its intended.
There is no "intended" way to speed run a game, You have made a huge change to the way this game is now run. I ask again why did you change this and where was the vote of the community of this game to have their say? You don't just change it because you want to, you see what the actual runners of the game want. People ran this game given the previous layout, which is the same layout as the first game.
So you now have "records" in this game that are impossible to beat since you changed it.
Huh? The layout is the same minus the round variable. Everyone has been running arcade mode 1 round, and selecting difficulty.
All I did was go into the coding and make sure the runs are in the correct Arcade sub difficulties, rather than categories. This is common practice.
The only other runner with a run was Poop san, and I am sure he would understand the decision.
Again adding extra rounds and stretching out a run is fine if you want to do that on your own, but its not needed for the leaderboard. Your welcome to speedrun how you want. But for the official leaderboard im not going to add 2 , 3, 7 round runs.
If those variables weren't up there in the first place you would not have even submitted to them.
Also to what records are you referring to that are impossible to beat?
1 bout and 2 bout are both different categories. Just like they are with BAT1 2 bout records now cannot be beaten in SR leaderboards which means all 2b records on here are impossible to beat, Which for me is fine since I have a few but it's not fair for others. I got into this for the 1B and 2B categories but they're gone so hopefully with me out, someone else comes and does some runs in this game.
What are you talking about. The number of Bouts is a variable. Bat 1 and 2 are completely different games. All I did was remove that variable which was added almost 5 years ago.
Your welcome to come to discord vc and discuss this, your not coming through well on text. And I think you don't understand the changes that were made. The only difference is 3 runs were removed, since the 2 point setting was removed, since its lengthening the game.
Your welcome to do your own long runs, and post them in the discord as well as in the forum here.
No, I'm very clear - You've removed 2 bout category which is a category I was interested in running for no other reason than "lengthening the game" So? That's no reason, that's like saying any% should be the only category in things since other ones are simply lengthening the game. Yet 1 game still has these categories. Like I said with the categories gone, I hope someone else comes and does runs for the game now.
Your 1 Set point records are still there and the 1 set (1 Bout is just as it is).
I'm not sure what you mean by "Yet 1 game still has these categories." If your referring to BAT 1 and BAT 2 or BAT 2 PLUS or any other Toshinden entry, they all are different game with their own settings and values, and play drastically different from each other.
Like I said, you chose to remove the categories for "Lengthening the game" despite there being runs in those categories and I'm not interested in that. I got into BAT3 cos there was 2 categories to delve into and both of them play differently to each other. With the categories gone the interest is gone.
Ah I see why you changed all the rules - So you could exploit to get yourself in all the top spots, that's just pathetic moderating of you. I don't wish to be part of this community for someone who changed everything up just so they can dominate. Shame on you.
@Kelyaan So first things first, I didn't change anything about the category rules of arcade from what it was originally, you can see I follow the rules set previously from 5 years ago. I just submitted to 1 bout which has always been and was the default.
Second, I speak in great detail in all the videos about how the new route has been done, and I have always shared strats publicly.
Third, If you want me to add a multi bout category, I'm ok with doing that, but you would have to decide on a condition. For example, 3 Set Points, Max Difficulty. You can respond here if you want that. The other difficulties were unsubmitted to, I would be happy to add a 2 point, Stress Relief. But it needs to be decided on. The other difficulties were untouched for 5 years, that is 5 years of NO SUBMISSIONS to a variable of 2 bouts. If we add it it back it should be a special Multi Bout (round) challenge so the rules and conditions need to be set, not just having it so its an empty category that will get at most 1 submission.
I'll end with this, Your making a big thing from a change that got rid of 1 thing, this game has been on life support 5 years, even before I came and did some well needed fighting game research. I have done this in BAT 1, with Ellis' slide infinite, or Gaia's extremely cheap fireball push, and everyone came back and beat my times. I have done this in BAT 2 in addition. Just recently I just did this in Fatal Fury: Wild Ambition, board sweep, and guess what @AlbertAC3 came right back and improved the times with his own board sweep. It's a healthy thing, and these event's are the kind of thing that are good for a game because they push it forward. New strats, new routes, better defined rules, actually having variables set correctly. This back in forth in common in speedrunning, in fact its actually hype and something most runners of games look forward to. I know it sucks to lose a record, but come back and beat it, be a positive part of the history of the game you run. Not a negative one.
You've done a run or two copying the Veil Strat that @deserteagle417 and @ShoShinjo preformed and perfected, 4 months ago. While I am happy to see additional runners, you've never interacted with anyone in the community, your gameplay is not clean compared to someone like @1800POOPNOW whose multirun also got deleted, and I see this is your first speedrun. This behavior isn't making you look good. However I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt because your not understanding really what changes were made based on your above comments.
You can work co-operatively and cordial with me to talk about what category we can add, or you can just remove yourself from a community you barely were a part of. I hope its the former but I can accept the latter. It's your choice of what kind of speedrunner you want to be.
