A. And like the 2 posts above me said, rename this to "All Story Missions" to eliminate the need for offroad, trucking, courier and etc. which would make this a 100% run without the collectables and vehicle missions. The reason for my vote is because the game calls the opcode 0318 upon the completion of EOTL 3 but not others and if you can get to that point whatever it takes- fine!

@English_Ben I saw Chivu and Kamiks show that stat in their All Missions PBs and the rule does say "Timing starts when the loading bar on the flash screen disappears and ends when you complete all missions that count towards the mission counter according to the stats.". This may not directly imply that you need to show the stat, but I think it would make sense if you had to because you could miss a mission for whatever reason (I missed a rampage in a VC All Rampages run once- and I know it's a different category and a game, but there is a stat for Rampages Completed. And I am sure shit like that can happen.) This could also be a safety measure for the runner too ;) and may help with moderation, because be honest- do you mods watch the runs in full? Just a friendly question, no hate.

And yeah, I am aware that this was called All Story Missions which I agree, it was a better name and if you wanted to do bmx, chilliad, trucking, etc. you may as well just do 100% and you don't want a shorter version of 100% as a category. But then again, isn't AM supposed to be an intermediate category to practice 100%? Anyway, that's another topic for another day.

And yeah, WE need to decide on this. Like Reset said, there should be a public poll where people could vote on the fate of All Missions (maybe not everyone, but all people who have done a run of the game or are active runners) and not just a closed discussion between the mods, who haven't even submitted an All Missions run to begin with.

EDIT Also, @English_Ben, you did say that opcode 0318 is called when you complete the mission (story or offroad). And you said "If you go the 0318 route like VC+III then you must include races/bmx/nrg as they all call 0318", but I have a question: why do you do offroad missions in 3 but not in VC?

Alright, so I was on Reset's stream when he was discussing this issue and I thought about this for a while (even though I don't actively run, or even planning on running this game) and I may be jumping onto the wagon a little bit too late and I know you probably won't care about what I have to say, but I'll express my opinion on this matter anyway, because I was just feeling like it:

So, as we know, EOTL is a mission which is essentially built up of three different missions because R* did not implement a real checkpoint system which I believe and hope they have done in HD games later on. According to the code, which some of the threads were discussing and showing, EOTL is 3 missions. But according to the "Missions Completed" (or whatever it's called) stat, EOTL is 1 mission, so all you need to do is complete the final part of EOTL to increment that stat.

So far, I can see that the rules are based off the code of the game, but my question is: if we're really gonna base things off the code, why doesn't All Missions require you to do races, offroad missions, trucking and so on- at the engine level, they are missions too since they put you OnMission = 1 once you start them, right?

I personally would say just base the rules of the stat, like in GTA 3, where in fact, you have to show that stat in the video once you're done with the run. And as long as you get that increment on the "Missions Completed" stat from EOTL, it shouldn't matter whether you skipped the 1st part or not. And if you can show in the video that stat, I would say you're fine.

As I said, this may be a late response but I said what I wanted to say. Have a good day, everyone :)

From my experience, I would encourage you to not worry about duping and other wacky stuff for now. Concentrate on fundamental things such as driving, optimal shortcuts, aiming and shooting- feel the game without worrying about more advanced strats, it will reduce pressure. It worked for me, but it's entirely my opinion- other people may argue with me.

EDIT Ohh, learn about replays and etc.

@LukeKlutz, As @Derpeth said ,NoSSU and Dupeless (or No Major Glitches) are different things- you can still dupe in NoSSU, but you're not allowed to do the trick that lets you beat the game in 8 minutes. And that was only a suggestion, if you don't like it, then I guess the category shall stay where it is

Well, I can't blame you for opposing to this idea, as Dupeless has a huge RNG element in it, which basically determines the whole game. Nevertheless, I still think it's a fun category, but, again, I take it majority don't like it, hahahahaha

So far, Any% Dupeless is in the Category Extensions where no one really competes for a better place and not many people actually show interest in running that sort of thing. I honestly think Dupeless should be a real thing because even NoSSU runs are pretty short, let alone Any%, which is 8 minutes. Besides, San Andreas leaderboard has Dupeless as the main category, only renamed to "No Major Glitches", which I think is cool, because the OMF manipulation kind of ruins the game (that's my personal opinion). The effects of moving the category were obvious as more people are interested in doing it. So, my question is: do you think same thing should happen with Vice City Any% Dupeless? Or is it going to happen even?