Hi guys, I understand that there are legendary old players here, but we need to move forward, I have never written such a post, because there are adequate moderators in short games, and they really monitor their moderated games, there was only one case, I had to write in private messages to this guy, but now I will not write to anyone, here I see players mostly of one Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven, and they don't have time to examine the runs, none of the 8 people, I want to know why are they here? I am sure that 20% of speedrunners are not here, because of such moderators, I demand to review more active moderators, I will be able to offer such players who have 3 hours of free time once a week and who currently appreciate this game, for example - Pash_OK, bloodzombiecz, diamondkiwi, Telatko, lollapooza and maybe uspeek, we'll have time yet, there's nothing terrible about it when you change moderators, because many people have a different life, now I understand why there is no uspeek's, which has sub 2:40, sorry, I couldn't change the language in this screenshot changed to English due to new updates, but I sent my run 25 days ago
Just a side note, I have never submitted sub 2:40 due to never actually having completed one (the comparison on my splits has crash time removed) and my latest submitted 2:44:30 run was removed by myself due to personal reasons, though I currently do want to restore that one.
Topic-wise I would agree that moderation/verifiers team needs fresh members who are active, trusted and knowledgeable, namely lolla, Telatko or Beater.
First of all, I'd just like to point out that moderators have 14 days as a standard time to verify runs. You shouldn't bother anyone before the 2 week limit passes. However, you also have to consider that unlike most games that will verify your run within those 14 days, we have 3-5 hour long runs to verify (don't forget there are category extensions too) and sometimes it just takes time. - Just as an example, I vividly remember spending hours with @Fuzimi analyzing one runner's runs as there was a suspicion of cheating.
Now this is not to say that happens with every run, it certainly doesn't, but don't be too surprised if you're a new runner.
I honestly don't remember anyone reliable messaging us about wanting to be a verifier. - The only time this happened that I know about, was someone from a group of people that trash talked the whole mod team and certain people from the community.
If there is anyone who's willing to do verifications that we also know is a good community leader, we will definitely consider the offer. Feel free to message me on Discord and we'll happily assess your application. This has never been a problem.
You don't have to make excuses, I see active guys in the discord who could do speedruns checks, but they don't have these rights, I've never bothered anyone in my 5 years of speedrunning, you have too many moderators who don't want to do anything, they exist just for visibility
Wafu, did you want to make fun of us by saying about 14 days? this uspeek speedrun appeared today
check msg from uspeek above, its an old run re-submited again
And if you wanna be so perfect about verification times its about 1-3 weeks
Now to the real part.
As Wafu wrote, i didnt see a single message from anyone to be a verifier/mod. Everyone is feel-free to contact any mod about that, discord DM is prefered i would say. (You know, you need to seek job and talk with people, it will not just randomly appear at your feet)
But i agree we have some mods that are very inactive for a long time.
Buddy, you're used to running 5-30 minute runs. That's all you've been doing for those 5 years. And that's a valid thing and with such short runs, you'll usually get a pretty quick verification. But you have to understand that coming to a 3 hours long game (with some categories much longer than that), it'll just not be realistic to get the verification done in 14 days everytime. Sometimes you'll get it the same day, sometimes you'll have to wait for more than 14, that's just how it is.
14 days is the minimum amount of time you have to wait before even contacting the mods to give them a reminder, doesn't mean we're guaranteed or obligated to verify your run in 14 days.
If there are people who have the time to verify runs, cool, go for it. Send us an application. But nobody's doing that, we're not gonna give someone moderator rights and tell them: "Hey, you're an active runner, go verify runs", that's just not gonna work. They have to ask us. It's a voluntary thing.
Well, I understand you, so I had to immediately write to the forum to be checked, as RivaL_xD did today, now you have moved away from the topic, in a few months, when I improve my PB, I will write to you on the forum so that you check in 14-30 days, see you soon
I remember how the readme for 99 days did not tell the moderators anything about the long approval, and only on the 100th day complained to the discord, @st4nzzz, just understand that for the mafia, long approvals are normal
i agree that it shouldn't be but it's hard to do anything about it, i'm ready to write Wafu and ask for moderator rights, but i understand that i will be one of the dead modders who don't have time for approvals
I don't think you need to thoroughly check these runs, if there is no time, you just need to analyze the player, whether he has experience, if he did it on the stream, there will be no doubt that the person is not a cheater, we are adults, why do we need cheating, you have made a wonderful autosplit, it has become convenient to check speedruns
@TGR It obviously makes a difference. I moderate multiple games and it's usually pretty easy to verify something like a 10-20 minute run. I might even watch it at 100% speed while having a break at work. Basically requires me to only reserve a few minutes.
For Mafia, we have ILs (5-20 min runs), category extensions (up to 7 hours even) and regular runs (3-5 hours). For average runs, I will sometimes skip through driving sections and play at quite a high speed, so it can take like 40 minutes to verify a top 25+ run. Now if I want to verify a more competitive run where people would complain if anything was wrong, I'll play at like 1.5 speed, I'll be watching the entire thing to make sure nothing is tempered with - even if timer gets stuck for 2 seconds, it's an issue that we have to check for. Now imagine 2-4 hours of paying careful attention to that as well as to whatever happens in the game.
Most of the moderators have jobs and it's not quite as easy to reserve hours for verification. And no, there's no "moderators for attention", for example, people such as @Lembox and @Fuzimi are community leaders and it wouldn't be fair to kick them out because their job isn't verifying runs.
Please, avoid toxic behavior, we're a welcoming community and you can politely remind us rather than calling out for things that are out of our control.
why do you call this toxic behavior? this is a big problem that needs to be talked about and solved, since you are not coping, you can contact your hospitable community and ask for help to analyze the run 100%, you are not alone
Excuse me, what? This is no place to share your hateful views and it's definitely not welcome and has never happened in our community.
Locking the thread - we've explained that people are not interested in moderating the game and if they are, they know how to apply for such position. If you're willing to be hateful towards any community member, you're not welcome.
