I thought I'd point out that theres an event (the last one) that shows you what you need to become KoG. Event 33: The Duel King Where: Chancellor's Office When: Saturday ¤Condition: 200 wins 10 wins against each duelist solve 60 % of the written exam (= 120 questions answered = 12 exams = 12 months)¤ Go to the chancellor's office after the game's ending. This shows that we don't need to complete every last one of the events, but in order to get 100% card completion, we will need to help Dorothy (Tome-San) to get the Dorothy's Gift pack. Because there's one card that you can ONLY get from this pack. Other then that, the only other events I can think of that need to be completed are the ones that unlock other duelists.
I'm sorry, I mis-read everything apparently. I thought the event had stated that you need 100% card completion. But what I'm saying is that there's one pack we need to get (Dorothy's) in order to get Shining Flame Wingman. There's no other way to get it, that's why we need to help Dorothy (Tome-San) So what you just said pretty much repeats what I said. ¤Every Event that unlocks duelists, and everything listed. ¤"Dorothy's Gift" pack for Shining Flame Wingman ¤All duelists 10 times each
First post in a thread on speedrun.com, hope this doesn't look stupid lol
I just wanna say, that as a category going for a King of Games run would be extremely tedious, as least going through it legitimately. I honestly think that using an emulator, and its save state function should be considered... either that, or just not do the run at all, since it's not worth it really.
If we can consider save states, then I'd say to definitely use it to guarantee certain events going through. Sometimes they just don't happen conveniently when playing the game.
And the other reason, albeit a much lazier one, is buying cards. You could conceivably get every card in the game, but when you play the game for some time you see how hard it is lol. Save states make it much, much, much less exhausting.
Another thing I wanna bring up is the criteria for King of Games. As someone who's completed the game a few times I'm sorta confident it's the following:
- Have 200 wins by beating all duelists at least 10 times.
- Have 100% of all cards in the game (1200 total).
- Have at least 60% on all Written Exams.
For the 200 wins, you DON'T need to beat 20 different people 10 times, you simply go to dorm and dorm an duel whoever is there. When you count it all up, you get 18 duelists to beat 10 times I believe. The extra 20 can be from events, or just dueling whoever you want. I tend to duel Fontaine more than 10 to get to 200, just because (arbitrarily) I think she's the easiest to beat.
The 100% cards condition is a big reason why you need to do so many of the events... it's kind of a dumb condition to have in a YGO game IMO, and why I think doing this run legit, on a real GBA is too much.
The 60% Written Exams is a percentage given by your PDA, you can look in the "Status" screen. To simplify it, basically every 2 correctly answered questions is 1 percentage point. So the max 10 correct on an exam means you can get 5 percentage points. Do a little math, and you see that you need at least 12 exams, or 120 correctly answered questions to get to 60% Written Exams. So that means that, even if you only miss 1 question in a whole run, you'd have to do at least a 13th exam. Another reason why I like save states :)
I'm positive you DON'T need to do every single event... really just the ones that unlock certain packs or duelists really. For example, an event I used to do a lot is the one where you duel Jaden at Harbor, the one that "reveals" Blair is a girl. But it's completely unnecessary, and you don't even go through the Choco-Jamboree duel when you skip it.
One last thing, I'll mention that if we're thinking of the fastest possible deck to win with, I think it would be Machines. (If someone were to ever want to TAS this game, obviously some kind of Exodia strategy would be best.) Cyber Stein and Limiter Removal are unlimited, and the game hands you Jinzo after doing the first event with Titan. I abuse all those cards in my playthrough on my YT channel :)
But yea, King of Games is really, really ambitious. I guess the Obelisk Blue Any% is an OK run, though really RNG based. The fact that losing once to Chazz, and him just not happnening to spawn can just be killer lol. I'm sure though that another kind of run can be made, such as reaching a certain duelist ranking, or maybe reaching a certain event.
In first hand practice, I can say that Prince of Games definitely isn't needed. We don't need to think of lower duelist rankings as a sort of prerequisite for King of Games; you should really get a certain ranking for specifically where you want to be in the game.
For instance, we know that we have to be in Slifer Red for a certain period of time to unlock Blair and Gerard. Personally, once I have enough wins on both, I decide to do all the Timed Duels, which is necessary to get higher duelist rankings, giving access to Obelisk Blue. (100 wins, and 100 Timed Duels gives the ranking Elite Duelist, just to say.)
Tbh I consider the Prince of Games ranking kind of a consolation prize; it's the highest ranking you can get before 12 whole exams have passed. Ideally, 200 wins and 1200 cards can be obtained at a quick rate, but the 60% Written Exam is the condition that makes it necessary to go through a lot of the in-game time (by sleeping in basically).
I promise you, there's no need to get 10 wins on the 2 other Obelisk Blue girls. I guess there's no way to know for certain which duelists' the game checks for when determining King of Games, aside from a ton of testing, but you don't need to duel Alexis' lackeys at all I'm pretty sure. I mean, I guess I always duel them once because of the event that gives you Alexis' number, but that's it I guess lol
Yea I can definitely show what I mean, I'm doing a playthrough on my Youtube channel, when I finish I'll show off when I get to King of Games. I'm using an emulator the whole time though, but the point will be showing that the game can give you King of Games before being Prince. I think I'll be at Elite Duelist right before doing the last exam.
Conceivably, the earliest time you could build a Machine deck is when you unlock Zane, which unlocks the Machine pack that next Saturday. So it would come down to having enough money to buy what you need, which means you have to aim for a certain amount of wins, and decide exactly how much you want to spend for certain packs.
Just to say, when I play, I assume that I'll get around 300-400 after every win, so basing off that is how I decide how much I want to spend for certain packs. Also, I guess in a real playthrough I would abuse the HELL out of the in-game save, and just reset until I get what I want.
Of course, the Fontaine event that gives you a ton of DP can be the main way you get the money you want... I dunno if you guys would be interested in buying stuff that raises life, such as Solemn Wishes, to further abuse that event, but it's an idea.
Well, it's good to know that I'll be able to do less work :) I'm already testing something else, just need a gameboy player, or someone who has one (Scrub, I'm looking at you) to test the reset timings. Other then that, Let's work towards a Cyber Dragon Deck. I'll look at all the cards in the game and see what kind of deck we can build from them.
Just wanna make a post about considering the best ways to buy all 1200 cards in the game. This is kind of a wall of text, but here goes:
Currently I have over 70% of total cards in game as I'm testing all this; I'm guessing in a real run, you'd have less than that, buy anyways I'll keep going.
I have a little over 80,000 DP at that point; you can get a ton of DP just buy running thru the game as fast as you can with Machines. It helps that you get a multiplier if you win a duel quickly in this game. (I'll say that in my personal playthrough, since I'm using an emulator I've been able to buy some packs, almost randomly at various points in the game, just to complete them to around 95%. So then, assuming you focus on completing a bunch of packs all at once, you could have over 100,000 DP at whatever point you decide to buy all 1200 cards).
DP management is pretty critical in that way; in duels I've played to win as fast as possible. I've found that a fast, and consistent way to do it is with Cyber Stein, Cyber-End Dragon, and a booster such as Limiter Removal or Megamorph, getting an even 8000 with a direct attack. However, you could also use Cyber-Twin Dragon: directly attacking twice with a Limiter deals 10800 damage. So you get more DP, but also use up more overall time.
I think one of the better ways to buy all 1200 cards would be to decide on a general number of copies you want to buy for each pack. So basically, you choose some time you want to start buying all the cards in the game, use an in-game save on the Sunday before, and buy packs on Tuesday. You would then check your Status in the PDA that next weekend, and see the total percentage of cards you have. If you're not satisfied, just reset and try again. You would do the same when you decide to the Saturday-only packs.
I wanna acknowledge that, I try to buy individual packs up to around 90-95% card completion (the little red number in the upper right corner when you buy a pack). For example, say you decide to buy 15 copies of a certain pack to get to around 90%. I've seen that, even if you try buying 20 copies, it usually doesn't get you much closer to 100%. So my ideal is to have all packs completed to around 95%, but I suppose with enough DP you can do whatever you want lol
Choosing exactly how much you want to buy of all the packs is pretty tricky. You'd have to at least account for the following: the packs you've bought already, the packs you haven't touched, the packs that don't take many copies to complete to around 90-95%, and those that take a fuckton of copies lol (Invitation to the Dark comes to mind). Someone seriously going for a run would have to personally make those decisions.
I've been testing out different ratios of packs you want to buy. After buying cards in mass on a Tuesday, I've tried settling on having a little over 85% of total cards, then after buying Saturday packs, having about 92%. After all that, I have a little over 40,000 DP. I'm sure in a real run, someone would have completley different numbers than I do.
The only other pack you need to buy at that point would be Dorothy's Gift. It unlocks when you have 90% of total cards in the game (1080/1200 total), and was made to specifically get to 100%. So I guess you would use a similar strategy: save on the weekend, buy all copies you can of Dorothy's Gift on Tuesday, then check your Status next weekend. You can only buy 10 copies a week, and each costs 1000, so you're spending 10,000 DP a week. So I think it's important to plan out how many times you want to buy this pack, and make sure your DP hits that goal. So with about 40,000 DP, I know that I want to buy Dorothy's Gift 4 times over 4 weeks.
I think something to note on this pack, is that you'll get less new cards each time you buy it. So if you're around 90% total cards, you could probably get around 30 new cards when you buy Dorothy's Gift (or basically, about 3 new cards in each individual pack). But when you get to over 95% total cards, you'll see that you'll hover around receiving 20 new cards when you buy it. The way the pack's made I believe, is that the game looks for what cards you're missing, and generates Dorothy's Gift accordingly. So as the weeks go by, and you buy the pack diligently, you'll have less "new" cards you need to get, and so Dorothy's Gift gives you less new cards each week.
This is nearly rambling lol, but I guess my point is to be really careful when you decide to get all 1200 cards. You should aim for a certain cumulative percentage when you start buying cards in mass, and check your Status frequently.
Just a quick post, finished the playthrough I did on youtube.
You could pause the vid at about 15:53 to see my Status and Duel Ranking. And then look around 27:30 to see my Status after becoming King of Games.
I've made a pastebin with most of the videos I've made, here's one with general notes, a decklist, and a list of who exactly I dueled: http://pastebin.com/L0mkCFim
I think you'll have to talk to Whiteblock on this, he's the only person who's been working on it. So I've really been slacking off. Guess I deserve Slifer Red after all XD
