As many already know, Vermintide 2 is releasing on March 8th as stated on the steam page and preparations for running the game are already in motion.
Vermintide 1 never had an official discord so upon creating the discord for the release of Vermintide 2 there will be text and voice channels dedicated to the first as well.
Discord Link - https://discord.gg/CtHNMdz
The purpose of creating a single discord for everyone is so that everything from rules, structures, strategies and glitches can be discussed and voted upon if needed rather than running into scattered community members and controversy from new/old players. I hope that new and old players can move forward from previous conflicts and form solid teams for pushing Vermintide 2 to it's limits. I look forward to talking/playing with all speedrunners interested.
Should we start by discussing things in private? I just sent you a Steam invite.
Send me a PM: http://steamcommunity.com/id/fsnez
Hey folks! Let me just say here that I really love vermintide speedrunning; I think it is great in many forms for many people and I want it to be big! I think there is more than enough room for everyone to be represented in some way on speedrun.com without leading to an absurd proliferation of subcategories but to get there I think we need exactly one thing--community.
I fully support BnH's idea of getting together in one semi-exclusive place where the people who are invested in speedrunning can make it a thing. I find that when passionate people post on forums it tends to emphasize where we disagree, but when we can hear each others voices and meet each other as people we tend to find common ground. I don't want to see walls of text in forums, I want to see back and forth in discord chat, I want to meet and hear you folks. We are the kernel of the speedrunning community. So let me be the first to say it. Screw drama!!!. Let's make speedrunning v2 a thing! Along those lines, BnH I pm'd you on discord...let's all have a chat.
There is a TON to go around. The game is amazing and I think it has huge growth potential relative to V1. There is so much energy and passion in this small group of people that I only see two ways that we fail
- Waste time and don't get our stuff together due to internal dissent. we can't have legitimacy without consensus. There is no speedrun.com without speedrun community. Period.
- Fail to get good PR/public recognition of speedrunning v2 as a legitimate and serious way to play V2. Remember, speedrunning in verm gets a bad reputation because it is associated with "cheating" (because "ez loot lul") and with "no skill" (because "block and run forward lul"). These are two real PR problems that stand between us and legitimizing speedrunning as a legitimate challenge and community. These PR problems are the reason we need to get together and support each other or we will not grow and no one will care about our accomplishments.
As to the Discord...I don't think it matters too much, but here is my 2 cents. It makes sense to me to put it on a new discord personally so we can keep the traffic down without special effort, but it also makes sense to put it in SquirrelSquad because we will be able to transition even more new, up and coming hardcore verm players into speedrunners if we put ourselves out there. I could go either way but I sway slightly towards SquirrelSquad. SquirrelSquad will 100% be the hub for serious vermintide and I think it is necessary for the growth of speedrunning for it to be perceived as one form of serious play as opposed to a separate activity all together. Actually, the more I think about it the more I think we might need both, a private discord for the kernel of speedrunning that has shown themselves to be invested members of that community and an open, public face on squirrelsquad.
Yup, 100% agree with J here. We had way too much drama in the small amount of time where the 1.5 dodgeclimb bug gave us a reason to revive the speedrun community already. Now, with V2, we can start over and create the speedrun community we ever wanted.
Because V2 is way harder than V1, I feel the only way to fail this project is internal struggles, fighting over power and overall drama llama stuff.
EDIT: We will move over from the Squirrel Squad Discord to BnH's Discord here.
The official Vermintide speedrun Discord can be found here: https://discord.gg/CtHNMdz
Hello there!
Based on past post history I think it is a fair assessment to put me in the boat of "internal dissent" in the past, but I'm willing to move past that. I personally agree with the notion of two separate discords, but as Nez has suggested I have created dedicated channels in the Squirrel Squad to help bring new blood into the community. By no means do I think that Squirrel Squad should be the "official" Discord for V2 because it has just too much else going on. I'll certainly support the community as much as I can - after all, the Squirrel Squad was originally a speedrunning Discord. Not capitalizing on the volume we are receiving would be a foolish mistake.
Given that this game is new I don't think the challenges that we encountered in the past will be an issue. The rule set will be established based on an active community consensus, rather than the submission of an uncontested run (as in VT1) and that is a great thing for the public perception and participation among the community. If nothing else I would simply urge that the community voice is heard. If anything will see to the success of this community it will be the active and consistent participation in that community.
The vast majority of our initial suggestions on the VT1 page were eventually implemented, but were initially dismissed which was the primary source of my extreme frustration. Not to mention the vast majority of those running at the time were entirely disinterested in even submitting runs to begin with because the ruleset was largely out-dated. At the time I joined the speedrun.com community the page was 2 some odd full game runs of the game on Hard. There was some confusion in regards to the use of mods and even some runs were rejected as a result of evidence of mods being used. I recall that a "Nightmare with mods" category was created at a point in time which was just silly and really telling of the disconnection with the current status of the community. You could quite literally just force win the map with a keybind with currently available mod tools. What sort of a category is that? Any sort of involvement in the community would have made that apparent. It was a time of serious turmoil but as a result the VT1 page is where it is today. As much as I was abrasive it was in a lot ways that my persistence and sheer boisterousness were productive. New categories were created and filled, glitchless was separated from any%, solo, 2P and 4P could compete in isolation - yet when we initially made all of these suggestions they were all initially dismissed mostly on the grounds that the categories would be empty. I understand that fear, but active participation in the community would have dissolved any such fear immediately. We had more than enough people willing to fill all of these categories and all of these categories were indeed filled. Quite a stark contrast to the initial ruling that only Hard Difficulty is viable to run, right? Times change, metas change. Only Active participation in game and community can allow a rule set to adjust to these changes.
As I said before, I don't think these kind of issues will be present in V2. We all have a fresh start and there is no out-dated, arbitrary rule set to contest. There is an active community already present at the birth of the page and I see this as an opportunity to start off on a new foot and make this community as successful and prolific as we possibly can. I've had IRL-aggro the likes of which I cannot even convey lately, but I truly look forward to conversing with all of you in the future!
Community, community, community.
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The official speedrun.com Discord will be the one BnH wrote in the first post:
Warhammer: Vermintide Speedrunning https://discord.gg/CtHNMdz
