http://www.strawpoll.me/13035249
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Reasons for bringing this up: I am of the opinion that the fastest time should be displayed on the homepage whether that be SRL or Non-SRL. In my opinion the main page should be a place where all the records can easily be seen in one space, but currently some times that are being shown simply aren't the records. The solution to this isn't to just display the SRL times on the main page as it could also result in some records being taken away. I see the middle ground is to merge the two, SRL and Non-SRL. This would allow for the fastest time to be shown on the main page no matter what. Then to distinguish between SRL and Non-SRL runs would be through the use of a filter. This way the fastest time will be displayed on the main page but if someone wants to look at just Non-SRL or just SRL times, they can do this through a filter.
Counter points:
- This could discourage new runners.
- Times that have been worked hard on could be taken of the main page through someone just using the SRL helm.
My arguments against the counter points: New runners may be discouraged about running because they may feel that "whats the point if i don't have the SRL helm". I hate to say it but, tough. Currently runners are being discouraged to push the game to its limits which, especially with this being Destiny's final leg, is the point of a speedrun.
Currently times have hard work being put into them aren't even being shown due to the current way the main page is. So I find the second counterpoint invalid.
If there are any other arguments for or against please reply to this post with them so people can be as informed as possible.
(ps if you read all that i luv u)
Banning is a one of a few good solutions, it means no weird timing issues with death screens and IGT. However, in a future run a death warp could be found that saves more time (whether timed fully RTA or with wipe screen time cut out). And I don't think that forcing slower runs is fair. But as there aren't no runs currently like this it wouldn't really be a problem at this point in time. The other solution is to just leave it as the IGT. There aren't that many runs that use death warps that are advantageous to use them and so maybe just ignoring the fact that they can randomly add times to such a small number runs isn't that bad of a thing. But the bad thing about this is that a small number of runs would just have a problem with them that is just being ignored. Me and Ehroar I feel suggested two ideas that are a sort of middle ground between the two. However, both these suggestions have flaws in them which I have already gone over.
Basically as I see it no solution is perfect. The decision should be which one is the best solution according to the majority.
I don't think it should be banned because it could result in faster times. However, I do see banning it as being one of the better solutions.
Ehroar if you was in the discord you could also have taken part in the decision making. However, I feel that would have been detrimental to the decision being made because you seem to be very bad at accepting other peoples opinions, so maybe its a good thing you weren't there. So what you're getting at is that only people that get records can make the decision. Do you think Usaine Bolt made the rules for the 100m sprint. No.
(I know that example is a bit out there, but its as out there as you comparing orbiting and wipe screens as the same thing)
Ehroar that wasn't the solution that we came to.
With these posts you're making yourself look very dumb, I don't think its us that are. Why are you getting so heated? A better way to get across a point is to make a clear statement thats proposing your ideas and solutions. You should then wait to hear other peoples suggestions and opinions and not get all argumentative when they aren't the same opinions as your own. The mods, should then make an informed decision together that suits everyone best. If this decision isn't exactly what you wanted you accept it and move on.
You say that mods "shouldn't be making rules about a game you can't even hold a record in". Records aren't what make a good mod. In my opinion, a good mod is someone that understands the game they're moderating and are good at making decisions based of what the majority of people want, or what suits everyone equally.
what loops holes? If you consider going to orbit a loop hole, it isn't because there is a rule that states "The mission must be played from start to finish in one segment." This means going to orbit can't be done and your nexus example, although fake and exaggerated, I see no problem with.
Death warps could be banned, that seems like a fair enough solution to me, but it will force slower times which kind of defeats the purpose of a speed run.
As for the entire thing timed in RTA, I've said why I think its not a good solution. Also, is there nothing to add to that side of the argument? Is the only point that it takes less skill to do a death warp run or am I missing some more points?
But either way what ever the final decision is, I would like it if the mods could come to one so that I and others can change the times on runs if need be,.
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So is there a final decision on this? just so I know if I need to change times on runs. My argument to the situation is that death warp runs should be timed from start to finish RTA excluding time spent at the wipe screen. I think this because it can't be IGT because of inconsistent times, and in can't be fully RTA because wipe screens are different lengths of time depending on connection resulting in inconsistent times again. So in my opinion the solution to this is pause the timer at the wipe screen and start it again when it ends. The problems with this are that times could be argued to be different times by people because human error begins to be involved. Also Ehroar's fake 2:20 nexus run exaggerates how unskilful times could begin to beat much more skilful runs if death warps of such scale were ever found which would be really boring to do and watch.
The other argument is that it should be all RTA with no pausing of the timer. This is because runs that take more skill are being beaten by ones that are less skilful using death warps. This results in some WR runs being less entertaining to do and watch as you go from being in one place one frame to another place the next frame. Also,it makes timing the runs easier as its just start to finish so less room for human error as well as it avoids problems with timing it IGT. (If there are any more points to this argument please reply with them as I am biased and want there to be an even argument but these are all the points I could think of for this argument). The problems I see with this are that wipe screens are inconsistent and timing death warp runs from start to finish wouldn't solve the original problem with IGT which is the RNG with it. Another point is that although runs will be less skilful speed runs are about going fast. We do speed runs not skill runs. The changing place in one frame to another place in the next frame also comes under the less skilful point but I personally do not see a problem with this. (Again I want to say I am extremely biased and if someone would like to add points to the completely RTA approach could you please add them so that an informed decision can be made).
I would class that as perfectly fine but its not up to me.
I just think that if something is inconsistent it shouldn't be forced to RTA, because that just doesn't seem right imo but its not up to me. I don't want easy records I want fast records.
In my opinion death warp runs should be RTA with the timer being paused when the death screen comes up and being started again when you hear the noise of you spawning back in. I think this because the wipe screen is inconsistent with how long it takes. If you time it a death warp run from start to finish its going to be inconsistent because the wipe screen isn't a set amount of time, it depends on connection (I think). So if you pause the timer when the wipe screen comes up and when it goes you get consistent times. End of bedtime story.
I don't think screenshots are allowed because they can easily be photoshopped
firefly and outlaw. Everything else doesn't really matter as long as you have those two perks
I think runs that include death warps should be timed in RTA with no pauses at the death screen just to make things simpler.
