I found this Glitch today:
It lets you collect any Bonus Coin & PawPrint over and over again (Only works on N64). Since it would kinda ruin the whole Any% categorie I wanna ask if we should add "Glitched Any%" to the leaderboard that would use this glitch, maybe also as a misc categorie.
What do you think?
EDIT: Important note, by using this glitch coins in each Hub World will disappear (If the level is in 1st Hub World, then it will disappear in the 1st Hub World). So you should collect the Coins in the Hub World First if you want to collect them.
This trick is huge, it will definitely change the game. Congrats on finding it!
As for the use in speedruns, it would make sense to distinguish runs that duplicate from runs that do not. For 100%, it should be banned for obvious reasons.
I am generally not a friend of naming categories after the glitches they use. Instead, I prefer the classic "any% no X". In my opinion, the name "any%" should always be used for the fastest way to beat the game. I've had this discussion many times at TASVideos already. My suggestion:
Any% Any% no Item Duplication <-- the current WR route Any% no WW <-- I guess the new glitch would be pointless without Wrong Warp
Thank you for posting your Opinion and suggestion! :) What you are writing definitely makes sense. Of course I will also wait for other to post what they think, but I think I will name the Categories as you suggested and make "Any% No Item Duplication" the first Categorie that's gonna show (Because Any% would really be a strange and kinda "luck" based categorie, because you have no cue for when you are near enough to the coin). But again, that sounds good! :)
Showing a restricted any% by default while still following the naming convention I suggested, is used by a lot of communities. It should definitely work here as well.
Really cool glitch :D Great job on finding them lately! I think adding a category that abuses this glitch for Any% to the leaderboards will be great. I agree with the Any% names that andypanther gives. I wonder how low runs can go now with this glitch. :)
Thanks Reece! The only thing that makes this Glitch bad is that there is no cue for it, so it's kinda luck based right now. I'm also thinking that it's maybe possible to exit the level and get hit by something after that, so it hits you into the coin. But maybe you can't get hit after gitting exit, I don't know right now, it should definitely be tested by someone.
I also just asked Zander what he thinks about naming the categories, so I'm also gonna wait for that :D I myself actually think that making a category for the glitch like "Any% Item Duplication" would maybe be better. I totally understand that Any% should be the fastest category, but PS1 Any% is kinda hidden now, and it would generally look better, also for people who wanna who wanna start running this game, since a category using this glitch wouldn't be a great category. But that's just my opinion. I'm gonna leave it like it is right now until Zander responds :)
Depending on how bad any% will be to run, you might as well even have it as a misc. category.
That's a possibility, but then Any% PS1 would also be hidden. That's why I suggested to maybe call the categorie not using the Glitch just Any%, because the glitch doesn't work on PS1. It's quite complicated :D
Oh yeah right, you used subcategories for the systems. If you want to keep that, then of course you can't hide the category too much. There would be number of ways to deal with this:
- Use variables for ID/WW
- Separate the categories by system again
- Make separate game pages
Some games really don't make it easy for leaderboards xD
Yeah, some don't make it easy :)
EDIT: -Using variables for No ID/No WW would mean that they would be subcategories for Any%? -Seperate by System = No System subcategories? -Seperate game pages for Gex 3 PS1/Gex 3 N64? I wouldn't wanna do that :D
All these points make sense to me so far :) I like the name “Any% Item Duplication” in this situation as well. I’m good either way on what this category is going to be called :D I personally don’t mind if the new category is going to be hidden or not as long as it doesn’t affect PS1 Any%. I like the variables for ID/WW idea but I think I prefer to keep the subcategories and keep Gex 3 PS1 and N64 times on the same page :)
Here is an super easy Coin Dupe Setup in Tut TV:
The Other coin may be a bit faster to get but this setup is way easier and way more consistent :)
Hey everyone. There have been a few rules updates/clarifications, mostly regarding N64 categories.
- [N64] Item duplication is now allowed in No Wrong Warp, No TV-Cancel and All Remotes. It remains banned in 100% and No Item Duplication, as it would defeat the purpose of those categories.
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