Regarding New Game+ and Auto Battle
6 years ago
Canada
Liar
He/Him, They/Them
6 years ago

I've gained interest in speedrunning this, specifically the "Main Story (New Game+)" category, but what seems odd to me is the use of auto battle. I can see why this is allowed, but I feel like this takes a lot of the skill out of the category. It comes down to who can build good units that can run through auto battle and who can press the buttons when they appear. I feel like speedrunning for a game like this should be made using the player's choices in the gameplay rather than AI playing the game. I'd propose a new category for this, in which Auto Battle is banned. I'd really like to speedrun FEH with my main team, while I control them and not AI. Thanks for reading.

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Taiwan

good idea on paper, but I don't think it'll work very well

British Columbia, Canada

I get what you're saying Solareon, but I can't stress enough how big of a deal and how much planning and actual hours goes into a race to X run. And given recent updates, in which we can no longer exit a map to forfeit gained exp and levels, we have one shot. My race to 40 5:58 took days to prepare for just one attempt.

British Columbia, Canada

If you just mean proposing a no auto battle category for each category, I'm totally in support. Unfortunately I'm not totally sure what the mod situation is right now. I've asked for mod quite a few times as I've been by far the most active runner for the last year, but no luck.

Taiwan

I mean if we turn off autobattle, we are just going to do exactly what the autobattle does but slightly slower due to us being human, so I don't see too much point

Canada
Liar
He/Him, They/Them
6 years ago

I highly doubt that you'd be doing exactly what auto battle does. Having no auto battle means the runner makes the tactical decisions as with most RPG speedrunning games. I can guarantee I will not use the same inputs if I run a Klein / BLyn / 2 Dancer team on Chapter 1 as auto battle would do.

Also, I'm not proposing a "No Auto Battle" category for every category, just specific ones in which I feel like auto battle takes out a lot of skill. Loading up maps with good units and letting the AI do everything doesn't seem like a legit speedrunning game to me.

Even with all the conflict, I think I'm still going to Main Story (New Game+) runs without auto battle.

British Columbia, Canada

What about people that want to do a bit of both? Don't forget that auto battle AI occasionally makes the least optimal move and costs you massive time. I get what you're saying for main story and I fully support it. That said, we're speedrunning a mobile game, one that is almost entirely dependent on connection speed in some cases, and one that, with each passing update, is completely different. My 28 minute main story run is very good for example. I played it well, and I waited hours to get a quick Ike summon. People want to remove load times now which is legit, but on the other hand, I consider it pretty shitty that anybody who plays now has access to better units and much more easily than I did 8 months ago. Long story short, we're speedrunning a game people shouldn't speedrun. Nothing about this is "legit."

Taiwan

I suppose I get what you're saying, and I don't think having a no auto-battle is a bad idea, however we need to wait for a mod to add it(which could take ages)

Canada
Liar
He/Him, They/Them
6 years ago

Something that could fix load times is that we switch to IGT (In Game Time). This means we only count the time we're able to act in. But seeing how active the mods are (no offense intended), I doubt any of this (no AB included) will happen soon.

British Columbia, Canada

IGT typically only works if the game itself has an in game timer. Otherwise, an absurd amount of busy work is going into meticulously timing a 30+ minute run. If a person is a frame off counting each map of book 1, we're talking a full second or 2 of deviation and that's clearly not an option. No auto battle is so much more doable but yeah the mods take a very long time to change categories. I proposed race to 40 almost a year ago.

United States

I feel for lunatic mode auto-battle should be banned but maybe not for normal/hard

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