Hello, I was playing a kongregate tournament and it happened to be the flash version of this Streemerz game. The engine is different but the gameplay / strats / moevement / time it's all the same as the NES version. I think if I try to request the flash version they will say to me that the leaderboard alredy exists and it's this one so...
I was asking if I can submit my run here, or if you want to make a new category idk. The game you can find here:
https://www.kongregate.com/games/MrPodunkian/streemerz
What do you think guys
Hey, I looked into it and it might make sense to make Flash version a different category on this board. The game is different, but I guess not different enough to warrant a different board. There's also the fact that the Flash version is the original version.
Although, I would like to ask: would you not rather compete on the NES version, on an emulator? I don't know how much effort you've already put in the game and I'll respect if you say you've had your fun and you're done with it, but since it's the exact same game and it would be played the same way (on keyboard, I assume), I just thought I'd ask. I don't necessarily want to discourage people from submitting runs on the Flash version but I like the idea of keeping any% runs of what is essentially the same game together. It seems to me like it would split the boards for no real reason.
Really the flash version was the first version? lol didn't know that... anyway today I tried the nes emulator and... it's actually very different. There's a delay during room transitions that affects your inputs a lot, also yea, the movements are very similar but not the same, it would be a completely new game to learn, I don't really want to learn it xD
I believe the World Record for the NES version is much more cleaner than my run, but my run is slightly faster so the flash version is also probably faster to run.
If you want to create a separate category it would be cool but yeah It's not super important lol
The flash version is wildly different. I've been playing it for about 2 years. I don't recommend the game be added to the leaderboards because it's essentially the same, just with different physics. It is slightly harder than the NES version because of that, but not different enough to warrant a category split.
Also, if your runs are faster than the NES version, then your version of flash is running WAAAY too fast. The flash version (and its downloadable counterpart) are much slower.
Here are my runs for comparison: 16 Bags Any%
I'm playing on kongregate and that game version is probably different looking at the menu screen... anyway this is my super secret run that is hidden because the actual kongregate tournament round is not over yet lol here it is:
Nice runs, guys :>
Here's the breakdown: If you use NES version as a baseline, IGT and RTA in this game should be extremely close, if not identical. I'm not sure exactly and it's impossible to tell without a 60fps recording, which I don't have currently, but it's definately within a few fractions of a second. Now...
@dha , your version of the game's IGT doesn't account for transition frames. You gain about 11 seconds over RTA timing due to that. @teapartycthulu , your version of the game's IGT does, and matches the NES pretty much perfectly up until the escape sequence, where the timer appears to be going twice as fast (*the gameplay speed is not affected). The amount you lose in IGT is pretty much only that segment where the timer is faulty.
Other than that, the gameplay speed appears to be identical in both flash versions and NES version -- did some rough testing counting frames during a long walk animation, which was convincing enough for me.
So good and bad news. We can definately accept flash runs on this leaderboards but ditching IGT is absolutely necessary. I really don't see why this version of the game shouldn't have it's own category at least. I'm actually considering having both NES & flash versions together on the same board but I'll need to gather people's opinion.
@thundermustache, your comparison IGT / RTA for @teapartycthulu it's true for the any% he did, expept for the fact that when he enter the final portal the time keep going for 5 seconds, but that's not the same version he played the 16 bags. Infact in the 16 bags run, before the escape sequence, his IGT is 25 seconds faster than what the RTA says, in the escape sequence somehow (double fast timer?) he gain 14 seconds and he ends up with an IGT that is 11 seconds faster than RTA.
The time I gain in my run is due to the fact that the timer stops when you enter portals
I'm ok with putting flash versions all toghether, so ppl can choose the faster version if they really want to climb the leaderboard, no matter if Real time or IGT but I'd prefer IGT.
Actually, teaparty's runs are infact both on the same version. The only thing that differs is the aspect ratio (stretched to 16:9 for his any% run). I also noticed the difference at the end where the timer keeps running after the escape, but I didn't quite bother mentionning it because, as I said, RTA is really the only reasonable way we can compare these runs. As for the timer in his 16 bags run, it reflects what I said about his any% run (more or less accurate until escape). He isn't 25s ahead entering escape, and he doesn't end with an 11s difference (it's a ~40s difference, as indicated in his video title). I'm not sure where you got those numbers, but that doesn't matter.
People don't have to pick the faster version, because there is no faster version, just one that has a faster in-game timer. The two versions you guys have presented me offer identical gameplay speed, so we can compare them on an even level by using RTA timing. Now, whether PC performance is an issue or not is beyond me (that's why I don't run PC games) but I assume it isn't. What's sure is we will not use IGT if it isn't consistant across versions.
Irrelevant at this point but just to clarify, it seems that the IGT in the version teaparty plays on also doesn't fully account for transition frames. It seems to be nearly accurate for transitions exiting a stage, but not entering the next one, gaining him ~0.3s on each of those. It's not nearly as bad as the Kongregate version, where you gain ~1s on every single transition, but this explains why he enters escape about 2s ahead of his livesplit timer.
ah ok sorry I got wrong numbers somehow, anyway yeah in the kongregate version the in-game timer stops every time you enter a portal, go with real time !
Alright fellas, you can add your runs alongside the NES runs!
Again, this is only tentative and if anyone comes up with a solid reason why the two versions should be kept separate, definately let us know. As of now, I consider both equal in speed and with no real difference past cosmetics, so I'm fairly convinced this is a good way to proceed with flash version runs.
Cheers :>
Just for curiosity's sake, I recorded myself playing both versions with the exact same input. It also highlighted some really odd version differences (like one block being taken out on the NES version near the VVV moneybag).
Cool video :> So this proves there's a minor difference in the movement mechanics/controls. There might also be a couple more minor level design differences like the missing block in veni vidi vici over the course of the game if we look properly. Other small thing I could note from this is the bouncy balls in the NES version bounce a bit faster.
You're trying to convince me they should be separate, right? I'm starting to think maybe they should. hehe
Hey all,
NES and PC runs will be kept separate from now on. Merging the two versions was probably not a great idea, the platforms are far too different to be judged on an even level, no matter how similar the games appear on the surface.
cheers :>
