okay that's great, thanks for responding and for the clarification.

hey there

I'm curious about running the any% glitchless category and one thing struck me about the 1st place run while climbing into a vent they leave it and go Oob, is this not considered a glitch?

i would normally say no, but in my opinion we should have a glitchless insane purely because its the hardest difficulty in the game and it should be noticed as it is in the any% insane and no OOB insane categories.

just my personal opinion.

welcome to the community! best tip i can give you is practice, that's all it really takes to get good at glitchless

well thanks for all the replies it good to see the community is still alive and well.

thanks for the list prawn (im now on discord)

as the title says, who still runs the game?

i'm curious and also thought the forums seem a bit dead so yeah sound off below if you are still running for miles ..and miles ..upshur

yeah you don't have to split at all, you could just use a straight forward timer, its how some people do it anyway

very nice find, but one slight question, miles head/body goes through an actual solid object towards the end of the skip are we allowing that?

Well i'll finally voice my opinion on this, i personally do not think there should be a glitchless insane on whistleblower purely because the run doesnt change much in comparison like no oob does, it would just be another glitchless run with a very small difference.

As for removing glitchless altogether i disagree, thats basically like saying remove any% because you barely actually play the game.

14 categories for 1 game+dlc is more then enough.

the whole 3 seperate leaderboards at the start would have been a good idea, but in my opinion considering all the runs have been submitted already and theres 14 different categories having 3 seperate leaderboards for each one of them would surely be overkill.

As for having people resubmit them, a LOT of the runs are relatively old getting people to even consider resubmitting its a very tall order and very unlikely to happen.

(TL;DR would have been good at the start, too late now imo)

the easiest way i have found to do it, if you have toggle crouch on, is after you have triggered the skipping the crouch, press crouch again whilst running towards the hole and he doesn't crouch nearly as much when doing the trick.

thats what i was thinking finath it only goes oob if the person goes too far, apart from that it seem pretty clean to me.

thank you for the offer of mod, i'd really like that :D

ok fair enough finath you have made some very valid points and thanks for the clarification. you guys have already made a judgement call of this skip. seen as i'm the only one who seems to care about it you might as well leave it as it is.

of course every run should be rejected if the world unloads, that is oob is it not? even if its 1 second, like you wouldn't allow 1 glitch into glitchless no matter how small would you?

well if you thought it was that oob wouldn't you have mentioned it in things not to do during runs instead of hiding it away? but you let people waste their time just so you can go "no sorry i found this months ago its not allowed but i never told you"

same can be said about the hand rail on the theater skip, you are not supposed to be on that side of it yet you are. you are not suppose to be able to skip courtyard rooftop section but you can, you are not suppose to climb on the railings for superman, but you can.

also the sprinkler one is just stupid, your head clearly goes through the roof multiple times, you go through objects, its basically on the same level as the tunnel run in the sewers, you go through the ceiling. (which is kinda oob but you still allow it)

where exactly are the lines?? or are they gonna keep moving?

clearly not out of bounds, you don't actually leave the game area if you don't run too far, i personally don't see the problem, it abides by the rules but i'm not a mod so my opinion means nothing. sprinkler one should obviously not be allowed.

Then we'll come to an agreement it isnt a glitch seen as its neither here nor there, was just after clarification of if we can do it or not.

As had been said previously the rules can get really ridiculous if we start nit picking.

ok i have only just noticed this but on 1st,2nd and 3rd place glitchless videos, each person crouches behind the door in the security room and thus phases through chris breaking through the door, wouldn't this be considered "glitching" as i doubt its how the developer intended.

Thanks for the clarification, i completely forgot that it was a scripted event.

Well yeah this is to address the lack of fairness across the consoles/pc during runs namely the door/wall glitching, also the fact that No Oob doesn't seem to mean anything with runs clearly going out of bounds (wall clipping is technically going through a hard surface is it not?)

so what are everyone else's opinions on this, maybe the consoles and pc need seperate categories for it to be considered "fair" or maybe im making a mountain out of a mole hill.