So, it sounds like there is going to be a disadvantage either way. And personally, I think the discrepancy between K+M and controller are minimal when juxtaposed the discrepancy between 60FPS and 30FPS.

Perhaps I am incorrect in that assessment. However, my evidence for that assertion is by looking at the leaderboard. Controller-only Pro/1X WR holders compete successfully with K+M on 60. Whereas if you look at any console leaderboard, the WR holder is without fail a Pro/1X compared to a base.

Let’s look at Leon A if we combine PC/60: Leon A Standard:

1. 54:13 Morelan (Pro)
2. 54:28 Trator (PC)
3. 54:32 DyldorBaggins (1X)
4. 54:37 Furetto (PC)
5. 54:38 GachiBot (PS4)
6. 54:43 Ingne (PC)

See the healthy mix? 3PC/3Console

Now let’s look at Leon A Base/Pro:

1. Pro
2. 1X
3. PS4
4. Pro
5. Pro
6. Pro

5/6 are Pro.

Yes, I believe it does matter. The work that NixIssues, CrazyGamingDayz, Speed Idol, Darksha as well as the other numerous Knife Only and Handgun Only runners do are worthy of just as much exposure as any other category. Having them on the main page rather than some supplementary page would illustrate how important they are to the community.

If suggestions like these have been brought up consistently, then that should indicate that there may be a systematic underlying issue.

What I am attempting to point out is that how the boards are set up currently are not fair. If the difference between separating PC into 120 and 60 were based on a disadvantage; then that difference should also be reflected in 60FPS Pro/1X console and 30FPS with base.

A solution that has been proposed is using FPS, thus disregarding the platform. For example, 120FPS, 60FPS, 30FPS. Thus by doing so, would result in combining PC and console for 60FPS.

I believe that fairness is a quality that benefits the entire community.

We are attempting to discuss it now- but it feels as though you are attempting to suppress the conversation rather than elevate it. I understand the hesitancy and many of the challenges that may come with changing the status quo, but this is a discussion that should be happening now (thus giving sufficient time as you pointed out) to determine the best course of action. Especially with the 120FPS new consoles coming out soon.

Morelan, this is also a concern I had as we begin to look at the next generation of consoles coming out within the next year and we will most like see 120FPS on the console. By looking at and problem-solving a solution now, we can tide off any potential complications later. I feel as though the best method is to look to the community of active speedrunners, refining those solutions to be practical but beneficial for everybody, and finally having the mods execute that decision. If the workload is too much, then pulling from members from the community to help is also a good option.

I recently moved from base console to pro console and there is a very real, obvious disadvantage between the two. Continuing to keep them together with this knowledge seems incredibly unfair and I would be remiss if I did not speak up about this.

As you pointed out, I am in agreement that by sorting them by FPS rather than PC/Console can minimalize the disadvantage between those running against each other. Very cogent reasoning.

I would be more than happy to help as well.

I’m disappointed in your response. The swiftness of it makes it seem as though there was no real careful consideration or opportunity for a conversation to be had.

If your decision to deny the conversation is predicated on the fact that it would be too much work, then perhaps give the responsibility of mod to somebody who would be willing to take on that work? I recognize the challenge for one mod to do all the work, but don’t we have five mods? Delegating the work amongst you all should make the job more manageable if that is the will of the community.

I was unaware of the filter not being successful- can you explain what made people upset?

I didn’t even know that the CE boards existed until several months of speedrunning. I don’t know if others had a similar experience. As far as NG+, this was my first category I ran, so I would dislike removing it as well, but I have flexibility.

If Base consoles are running against Pro/1X and there is a known disadvantage, why are they grouped together? And how exactly would this be different by grouping Pro/1X with 60FPS?

I think this is a fantastic suggestion, Igor. Thank you for posting! I hope this post gains traction and the community (and mods) will be willing to examine this seriously as a possible option.

I think the lack of visibility for category extensions is unfortunate and this would be a good solution for elevating those individuals. I also ran NG+ and have no issue with discarding that category if necessary.

In a similar fashion to the GL tool's use in the RE3 forums, I hope that we can have a productive and fruitful discussion about this. The voices of the runners were heard and addressed appropriately and professionally. And the mods role, as representatives of those individuals, were to execute the will of the speedrunners within that community.