Currently, the 120 and 0 star categories are the only ones that specify a required star count. None of the others do. So by the current rules, you can submit 120, 70, and 16 star runs in the 1 star category. Is this how it's supposed to be? It really isn't in the spirit of a 1-star run to collect every star. I understand not saying a specific star count, like a 16-star run should still be valid if you accidentally collect the MIPS star, but it really seems like there should be more rules, like requiring MIPS clip for 16 star and SBLJ for 1 star to avoid having runs that really shouldn't be on the leaderboard.

Also, somewhat related, I feel like the "No BLJs" rule in 70-star is kind of weird? I understand that it's there because that's how 70-star runs have always been done, but nowadays it feels really arbitrary, especially when things like Bomb Clip and Pillarless are still allowed.

mips clip is required by 16 star.

The No BLJs rule in 70 star exists so the category makes sense. If you are allowed to BLJ, the entirety of upstairs becomes unnecessary to do in the first place.

It helps a lot to think of 70 star as the 'No Sequence Breaks/NMG' category. It's about beating the game as fast as possible, in the path the designers intended to follow. You have to get 8+ stars, then do bowser1, then get 31+ stars, then do bowser2, then 50 stars, then 70, then bowser3.

0/1/16 are all any% (16 being a bit weird but its accessibility means a LOT of people run it so it's worth keeping around in that sense)

I believe the reason the rules are written the way they are, rather than requiring certain movements in categories, is to allow for innovation. If, for example, SBLJ was explicitly required to clip through the 30 star door in those respective categories, there is no incentive for people to look into new possible ways to get through that door. Ban the things you don't want to leave new possibilities available, rather than requiring 1 specific move and limit discoveries.

16-star category rules say "Any method to skip the 30 star door other than MIPS Clip is banned". Nowhere does it say that MIPS Clip is required. My question still stands.

70 star rules already have a "no circumventing star requirements" rule, so you can't skip the upstairs no matter what glitches are allowed. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about in-level BLJs like Toxic Maze BLJ. Why is Pillarless allowed but Toxic Maze BLJ not? It's completely arbitrary. If 70 is supposed to be a "no major glitches" category, why are Bomb Clip and Pillarless allowed. Surely those would count as major glitches.

the 16 star rules also say to beat the game. cant do that without the 30 star door and therefore mips. your focus on the absent means you purposfully ignore the present. the 70 star question is a good one tho

@crabstorage Okay, I just noticed you edited your reply. I see how the 1-star rules make more sense now. The fact that 120-star runs are still allowed in 1 star still seems like it's not within the spirit of the category. Like someone could spend several hours, finally pulling off the extremely hard SBLJ after lots of effort, and they're beaten on the leaderboard by a bunch of people who just did an easy 70 or 16 star run with little to no effort. While I agree there shouldn't be a rule requiring SBLJ, there should at least be rules requiring that the 30-star door must be skipped, and MIPS clip is banned.

Given that the only reason 16-star runs are 16 stars in the first place is because of MIPS, it really feels like MIPS clip should be required. If a 16-star run doesn't use MIPS, what's the point?

My BLJs question still stands. 70-star rules already ban skipping any star door. No BLJs is just an additional, unnecessary rule.

@Yopmemama2019 You can get past the 30 star door without SBLJ or MIPS. It's called "collect 30 stars". It's not "skipping" the door, so it's still allowed in the rules.

as crab says here, 16 star is really any% no sblj. just as sblj is not required for 1/0 star, mips is not required for 16 star. in my opinion, it would be logical to move 16 to category extensions with 31 star

@Yopmemama2019 And that brings me back to the problem I have with the 16 and 1 star rules. The fact that MIPS clip isn't required means you could just do a 31, 50, 70, or 120 star run and count it as "16 star" or "1 star". It's not within the spirit of the category. Like my SBLJ example, imagine you are doing 16 star for the first time, after tons of effort and practice, you are finally, after a couple of hours, able to do MIPS clip and the BLJs. Then you go on the leaderboard, and your time is beaten by a bunch of people who just did a regular 70 star playthrough with little effort. There should be a rule that the 30-star door MUST be skipped.

@crabstorage @Yopmemama2019 Okay, there have been a lot of comments here, for easy reference here's my opinion on what should be changed with the rules:

120 Star: No changes

70 Star: Allow BLJs. Probably also add a "70 Star No BLJ" category extension

16 Star: Require MIPS clip.

1 Star: Require skipping the 30 star door. Ban MIPS clip.

0 Star: No changes.

i think you're trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist. No one is submitting runs like that, and they aren't competitive if they are. You're welcome to start submitting runs for the game and work your way up to leaderboard mod if you'd like to.

Can I have the 5 minutes of my life I spent reading this back?

@TurkeyCookTime the "good faith submissions" section of the rules addresses your concerns regarding longer categories being submitted to shorter category boards, specifically the "attempting to exploit technicalities in the written category rules in a manner contrary to the spirit of the category" sentence

i don't really have anything to say regarding your 70 star rule change (it's a topic that comes up somewhat frequently and it never has a satisfying resolution), but i can definitively say that a 70 no blj category extension would never happen - its a 5s route change over the course of a 46 minute run