Did a run earlier which was pretty godly (Poseidon Alley Docks SW was at 2:20IGT 4 or so mins quicker than my 4:31 run with a late 2mins of lost time a 4:26 is the target for now) until it died due to getting a pushback but a couple of things of note did come out of it.

1.I finished Insurance fraud at 21mins IGT never seen anything better that 22 before. The best way is seemingly to just fall in front of the car while building adrenaline then switching to jump rag-dolling while in adrenaline this way seems to get it done the quickest.

2.Seemingly the key to getting respect that is needed relies on getting a good amount in Bleeding Out and Suburbs Strip Club these 2 missions alone done well sets you up to stay on track.

3.In Waste Not Want Not if you go to the far corner of the heli pad during the 1:30 countdown the guards rarely path find to you so a toilet break here is a good time to do so.

After a predetermined set period of time the run is posted but with an option for it to be challenged by other non-mods. If it then get a certain amount of challenges, for it not being legit, it goes back to be needed to be verified by a mod in perpetuity until it is either accepted or rejected by the mod.

You could also roll out the ability to challenge all runs but runs verified by a mod stay on the board while it is noted to the mods that it has been challenged to be relooked at. Possibly with a comment from the person that has challenged it to why they believe it not a legit run.

Just finished a run it went pretty well only major error was Johnny Gat trolling me in the Pyramid with his abysmal path finding making me fail 3 times losing about 2m30s in the end. There were also still quite a few 15-20secs lost here and there from bad play or bad luck but still ended with a 4:31 IGT which was a 4:44:52 according to the timer on my phone. Respect went really well never really had to grind out any levels, only took 2 tags early on which I could have properly skipped, and I comfortable made enough to be able to take the University stronghold before the Demo Derby, not sure how consistent this is I have made it 2/3 time so it could have been one bad run.

I’ll properly do 1 more run sometime next week to get that sub 4:30 IGT then take a week or so off before picking it up to go through it mission by mission trying to find any skips or tricks to speed them up and also try to lock in if we need any tags or not.

Forgot to say congrats on you run hope to catch one in the near future.

It's not too much of an issue for now as only PC runs have been done it just another way of seeing who is the fastest if loads where not a factor.

Time starts when you gain control of the character after skipping the first cut scene it is done this way as to be in line with all the others in the series. All the games have been done on the principle of gaining control rather than being stated when the new game is started.

Also is there an IGT shown on saves? Though console and PC records are generally considered to separate records, for fairness as load time variance between platforms is too great to bridge, IGT is use to compare between platforms if possible could it be added in the comments.

For a practise run it would be ok. For a real run that is going to be submitted this is not allow as soon as you tweak one thing it opens up too much grey area and will be no different to using cheats. If you up one spawn rate it is only a small jump to why not just spawn one in using cheats.

Ok I have added an Any% category for you GL with any runs.

I have added Gat out of Hell tentatively added as a new game in the Series though it is technically an expansion of SR4 it is a standalone expansion so it is cloudy.

I have yet to play it and do not see myself doing so any time in the near future so I am reluctant to add categories at this time. If there is anyone who is planning on running this game let me or FoxAndRavens know what categories are wanted and they will be added in time.

Oops ¤9 I guess lol

A nice little trick, during US Rounds Square Shopping Centre, when you get to the part with the executive throw a Satchel into the middle of them and remote detonate while in the air and it will take out nearly all of them instantly so you are left clearing up the last one or two then back through the same door you came into onto the toad.

Also a quick question, are you running a digital version of the game? I recently tried my disc and it run worse/ slower. On the digital I can do up to Down Payment in 14mins IGT comfortably every time but on the disc 15mins is the best I have managed.

SR1 Jailbreak.

SR2 Appointed Defender.

Race twice for 1 level of respect.

SR3 Down Payment.

Listen to wire taps and get tornado (not there reset?) (when you see the heli Call Dex before getting in the heli and get the Ultor icon on the mini map I have had time where his number disappears if left and have had to listen to the wire taps again which is a 3mins of lost time) save it at safe house.

Insurance Fraud 3 levels fly to first in tornado SW after.

(¤1)SR4 Three Kings IH.

U0 Revelation IH after grab a car form the road drive to the bike shop and buy 30k worth of bikes for level 6 style. SW after.

S1 Got Dust, Will Travel IH. (¤1)

Fuzz Projects District to level 6.

R1 Saint's Seven IH.

R2 Laundry Day. SW after grab Kobras if you have done already you will be in the apartment crib.

RS Suburbs Strip Club IH.

R3 Road Rage IH.

S2 File in the Cake IH.

S3 Airborne Assault.

R4 Bleeding Out.

RS Humbolt Park Science Museum.

RS Amberbrook Museum Pier TT SW after. (¤2)

S4 Veteran Child IH

SRS Go there in the oppressor

B1 First Impressions take the above ground option and use oppressor to fly back. SW

SS Bavogian Plaza Drug Labs IH blow up the heli on the roof land then do the inside parts after (¤3)

Fly to Ultor Dome foreign power buy car then land tornado next to fight flub and do fight club.

B2 Reunion Tour IH after car 4 fly to the start of next stronghold while escaping

BS Sommerset Apartments

B3 Waste Not Want Not Little trick when you enter the boat pull up the map the triangle on the island is where the nuclear waste will be so you can go straight to it.

(¤4) BS Imperial Square Pagodas IH

S5 Burning Down the House IH

S6 Bad Trip

B4 Red Asphalt IH

BS Poseidon Alley Docks SW after

B5 Bank Error in Your Favor IH Little trick when you grab Jessica after she turns of the alarm run straight to the front door it is possible to get out the door before swat comes in blocking it.

R5 Orange Threat Level

BS Wardill Airport Hangars move TT SW after

B6 Thank You and Goodnight!

(¤5)Buy cars from Ultor Dome Foreign Power take taxi to DD

(¤6)Demo derby

SS Stilwater University Student Union (¤6)

SS Sunnyvale Gardens Fishing Dock IH after bomb is set on the boat during countdown get back in fly to next mission

R6 Kanto Connection IH

B7 Retribution IH I like to leave the roof of the car park until last so you end nearer to next mission

B8 Jail Bait IH SW

S7 Bonding Experience TT

R7 Visiting Hours

B9 The Enemy of my Enemy IH SW

B10 The Siege SW after

R8 Room Service IH

(¤7)B11 Showdown

Buy cars fly to Prison Fight club.(¤7)

SS Elysian Fields Trailer Park IH grab Satchel Charge

R9 Rest in Peace

RS New Hennequet Rec Center TT

S8 Riot Control TT there is a chance to get the GAL 43 from a bum so be on the lookout for it

R10 Good D

S9 Eternal Sunshine IH SW

S10 Assault on Precinct 31 IH

S11 The Shopping Maul IH SW after

R11 One Man's Junk... IH SW

U Cutscene TT SW after

U1 Picking a Fight IH

(¤8)US Rounds Square Shopping Center TT SW after

U2 Pyramid Scheme IH SW after (¤8)

U3 Salting the Earth...Again IH

U4 ...and a Better Life Little trick don’t get straight in the car jump on top when the limo starts to move shot the limo with 3 rockets this will do the full required damage and it will go straight to the Phillips building saving a min over chasing it using guns.

¤¤ An important part of this route is money management to get it right I had to pay attention to day night cycles so there were some mission strands that were interchangeable but were put in a particular order so when the right save warp came up it went to the right safe house. To make the money for cars in this route work each time you save warp and end up in the apartment crib take the money from the money stash up until after the last car is bought after B11 Showdown.

¤1 These missions are pretty interchangeable as long as you get the 3rd level of respect after the 2nd mission

¤2 Not doing this in a heli as the time taken to collect the heli, fly there, land and then do it negates the save in doing it in the heli. There is not viable mission nearby that either needs the heli during it or ends with the heli so a flight across the map will always be needed here.

¤3 The respect for this one is close I personally have never not had enough but a few tags maybe needed to be taken for this. One thing that is strange that I recently noticed is that on the flight back to end Brotherhood 1 you are given some respect that seems to round up to the next level this has happen to me every time I tested it. It is something I need to look into it may be open to abuse.

¤4 Doing this in a heli is a annoying but the save the heli makes to S5 Burning Down the House means it is needed to be done. Use the rockets onboard the heli for first 3 location land it on the road and use guns for the 4th one if you park the heli too close to the 4th location it will despawn during the cut scene. You also need to take care of the heli may be worth practising doing BS Imperial Square Pagodas and S5 Burning Down the House.

¤5 There is 2 options here you can either get the cars by flying to the Harrowgate Foreign Power before going to the warehouse to get the firework truck or in the place mentioned. The place mentioned is quicker but if gotten in Harrowgate you get an extra 5% respect boost for B6 Thank You and Goodnight! This may get you an extra level of respect.

¤6 These 2 are interchangeable if you get the extra level of respect mentioned above. If you have that level do SS Stilwater University Student Union first.

¤7 If you have 120k before B11 Showdown buy cars first if not you will after get them then

¤8 these two are interchangeable either way is fine.

I tried the Tornado strat on The Enemy of My Enemy and it works for me too. Now we can use the tornado on all 3 waves the annihilator no longer saves enough time to make up for Mayhem being longer than prison fight club.

Over the last 2 days I have totally redone the route to combine the best of both mine and FAR's and TBH it has be a pain to do but I'm nearly there another few hours tomorrow evening and I'll have it done. Money management was the main problem as FAR's route is more level in what missions are done than mine it lead to a few issue but I have solved it.

I'll try to get the new route on here ASAP but I'm pretty sure it will be there or there abouts in terms of the final route for the foreseeable future so we can concentrate on the strats rather than the route.

I spent an hour or so messing about with barrier breaking using the taunt/ explosive method and while I found a few thing of note, that may be of help if and when we know of more glitches, I can't see much that will save time now.

Few things I tried:

In Kanto Connection instead of using the marker to enter the building I tried to barrier break in to see if maybe we would be able to use weapons. Sadly the whole interior is a trigger for the cut scene taking you to the next part. So no luck.

In First Impressions you barrier break it will put you and your homies on the surface but will not credit you with taking any of the checkpoints along the route so you can’t skip the cavern part.

In The Shopping Maul I tried to see if maybe the general stays in the elevator out of reach until you go through and moves him into the car after. Sadly not you can get in the elevator but it is empty.

In the Pyramid Scheme I tried skipping the notoriety part and just go to the pyramid and while it is open and Johnny gat is there he does not trigger and the card key is not there. You can go through the doors to where the bombs are but the markers are not there. I then tried to break to where the bear is to see if that works but I could not get through the gate so do not know if that would work. If it does that would be a massive time save but I have my doubts.

Now to the positives, as slim as there are:

I found a way to death warp from the police island to the hospital where Visiting Hours mission is. Basically there is spot where you bust through a wall and land on the tunnel from the tutorial and die and for some reason you are taken to the hospital on the main land rather than in the police station. So maybe after Prison fight club, if this activity is done, you could use this death warp to get to Visiting Hours.

There is a world hole in the north west of the first island you can get into by crouching under a bridge. If you parachute south towards the water you go into an upwards swim animation and when you reach a certain height a short loading screen pops up and you are warped to the Stillwater Caverns to the place where you have to destroy the shanties in Stilwater Caverns stronghold. If you barrier break you are put on the bridge 50 meters or so from the start of Riot Control. So Maybe after either Demo Derby or Ultor Dome Fight club this could be use to get to Riot Control IF the option to take a cab there is not open, not sure if it is or not in your route.

I have some free time over the next 4 days so I’m going to spend some time going through both routes combining the best of the two. I think that some of your mission sequence if better, while my respect management is better so a happy medium between the two will save a boatload of time. The first real target is the sub 4:30 route from there it is nickel and diming those minutes down to see just how far it can go.

There are some missions that are too logical not to keep together, e.g. Ronin 1 and 2, so there is a template of how quite a bit of the run will go but with 3 good means of travelling quickly, Tornado, taxi and savewarps, the options are pretty open which is always a good thing. There are also some that are missions and stronghold that are awkward to fit in, Wardill Airport Hangers Stronghold was one of them in my route, but we can keep shifting thing around until we get them all in nicely.

There may be a way to get the annihilator by buying a weapon that overwrites that weapon slot while you have it during fuzz. Basically doing this will send it to your weapon cache letting you pick it up. The issue with this is that you may not be able to buy any weapon that replaces it at the stage of the game we do Fuzz. I haven’t be able to test it fully as I don’t have a save state but I will do so in the next day or 2.

I found a glitch today that has some promise to save a few seconds here or there. Basically if you call for your mech suit while inside any building you go into a state that is half way between having it and not. You will have the mini-gun and rockets like you would wearing the mech suit but you will also be able to use super sprint and super jump, though you can not use any other of the super powers.. Not sure where this will be overly useful with the void available to call in at any time but I'm sure there will be somewhere this can be used especially if some how it can be carried into the real world sections. At the least this should help if anyone intent to do 100% with a fast way to do the 4mile in the mech suit challenge.

Congrates on your new PB FAR even with sound issues I would still suggest that you add your time to the leader boards mainly as it is/would be the only real competitive time on it. If someone else decides to pick up the game it is common practice to watch the WR and it would be helpfully to them to see your run regardless of audio issues for parts.

@Far

Good to see the run went ok. 4:30 IGT is definitely going to be possible I have little doubt about it my last run from 2 or so weeks ago was 4:45 and that was my 3rd run with this new route so if we were to combine the best of both our routes and find what is the best or near best possible route 15 mins IGT will melt off pretty quickly.

4:30 RT will take some big finds for us to get it there but even that wouldn't surprise me greatly SR3 lost 36mins RT in a year or so and SR4 lost 10mins RT in a month and they were far more optimized that SR2 is now.

I have encounted that same thing on that same cutscene. I believe it is the same thing that happens as skipping any other animation by diving into it. I even timed it to see if it was a time save, it isn't, so I mash slightly later to stop this time lose occuring.

I'm looking into routing this run I've looked at the tags and CDs and without even playing can see 60 or so out of 100 are in places where they can be obtained easily in a mission or activity or on route to one without deviation. Most of the activities are not difficult it would be a matter of chaining them in a nice way.

If you have any input in to how to optimize any activity or possible tricks to speed it up it would be a great help.

The timer being started or finished 1 or 2 sec early or late isn't a massive deal I will adjusted times when they are submitted and verified as has been done in SR4 already. If there a massive outcry I will of course consider changing it but as for now keeping it in line with the other 3 Saints Row games makes sense.