United StatesYeah thanks for all the info. I'm definitely talking about stilll having the flagpoles and cut screens and all. Just simply eliminating the 21-frame rule. So if you run 1-1 at 2 frames faster than your opponent, you're 2 frames ahead going into 1-2.....instead of tied, etc. All the tricks like FPG and BBG and the clips save time (in order to make a certain framerule), so they would still save time if you choose to attempt them.
Is it possible to make a rom hack (or something) so there is no framerules? So then top runners could compete to the individual frame for the whole run? Every turnaround and fast accell and everything else would matter.
Thanks for the help @Miniland !
Does this image embed work here? Also, like, dislike, or lock/delete/ban, hahaha?
Edit: Hmmm, I guess I don't know how to embed. Sorry all.
Okay I'm still confused. Please bear with me.....I'm just trying to understand.
IL best is 44.344 which is frame 8-7. Right?
And in this video, Niftski did an 8-2 in a run, which is 5 frames slower than IL best. ()
And according to the comments on that video, 8-2 is 8 frames faster than what Kosmic did in the WR.
So Kosmic's WR had an 8-4 that is 13 frames slower than IL best, so he did a frame 8-F.
Do I have all that correct?
Thanks so much for all you all's help on this.
In RoyLT's PB, his description says Lag plus 8-K plus perfect axe. But if I add all that up, the total time is 1 frame faster than 4:56.279. So what am I missing?
Hi. Can somebody please point me to a spreadsheet or other documentation that lists the 8-4 frames....their times, their names, etc. Like how 44.427 is an "8-2". And apparently the IL best is "8-7" I think? Thanks!
I don't play this game, but I understand his 8-4 was insanely fast for a run. It was only 12 frames slower than the IL 8-4 record, and it was 6 frames faster than any 8-4 from a WR in the last 3 years.
So, given that, I think we have to ask if this WR will be beaten by a better 8-4 on the same framerule? Or will it be beat by getting another framerule?
If I had to predict, I'd say it's somebody getting the 8-1 framerule and then a standard 8-4 to go right about 4:55.5.
How about speedrun for a 300-game in Bowling? I just submitted my 300 game, and it is 2:46 from Mii "OK" to the first "PERFECT". @Alaskaxp2 is considerably faster. His video starts a little later, but it's probably around a 2:08 with the same timings.
In a perfect world, we would also separate Manual controls from Automatic.
@Lul_ecks_dee I have smb1 on Wii, so after watching all you pros hit 456 and 455, I fired it up and gave it a shot. I couldn't even make it to the first damn underground at full speed! So that was that.
Yet I come here every morning to read the latest posts, and check the leaderboard to see if Kosmic or somewes or taven or gasp darbian or maybe even YOU have posted that new WR. Keep rollin' buddy, and watchers will keep watching. Some might even give it a try.
We don't need a "human theory TAS" to know that humans can do 4:54. It's already been done in segments. By one person, no less. That proves, with no room for argument, that 4:54 is possible.
4:54 is extraordinarily unlikely, no doubt. But there is also no doubt that it's possible with what we know, and what has already been done.
I'm with roopert. There's no amount of money that would make me try.
Here's my updated graphic.....if the image embed works. If not, nevermind.
somewes did .796, which is exactly 0.700 from the sum-of-bests. If somebody gets 8-1 (0.350), plus 4-2 (0.350) which has never been done by a human, they are still 0.096 (6 frames) over a 4.54. So they would need to run 8-4 at 6 frames faster than somewes, which is 3 frames faster than any of the latest record runs.....but still 15 frames slower than the 8-4 IL record.
Thanks @raymondamantius , yes, it looks like the 8-4 IL is (7 frames?!) faster now!
My slightly updated post from 8 months ago in the "4:54?" thread is below. Does any of this need updated? Has any human done 4-2 from a save-state or in any way?
As for the thread today, is 4:54 possible?, of course....anything is possible. But without new strats/discoveries, it is EXTREMELY unlikely.
Previous post: " The "sum of bests" ever achieved by humans, from save-states or in runs or whatever, is 4:55.213.
That includes the fastest 8-4 ever....which is more than 10 frames (0.167 seconds) faster than it's been done in any recent record run.
And as mentioned above, that also includes a framerule in 8-1 that has only been done from a save-state, and only by something like [6-8] people.
So those only get you to 4:55.213. To go 4:54, you'd need a faster 4-2 to save another framerule (0.350 seconds), which hasn't ever (yet?) been done by a human.
In short, for 4:54:
- Do all the tricks already being done.
- Add 8-1 that's only been done from savestates and only by approx [6-8] people.
- Add 4-2 that's never been done by a human in any way
- Run 8-4 about 2-3 frames faster than any recent record run. "
Wow. 8-4 at 6 frames faster than the record, plus a lag frame for the "would have been" 5 frames faster than record. That's a damn fast 8-4 in a full run.....something like only 8 frames slower than IL record. The anguish is real.
I don't know anything about Bowser patterns. It sounds like he said if he was 1 frame faster in water, he would have gotten a better Bowser? What about a frame or 2 slower? Also different/better Bowsers?
Cool seeing Roy get to 3rd on the leaderboard. The excitement and joy is fun to watch. His time is just 2 frames short of the May 2018 record.
Just one more trick to go.....the 1-2 Pipe. Go get it, Roy.
p.s. AndrewG also creeping closer and closer.....needs to add 8-3 FPG and 1-2 Pipe.
What is the significance of the 11x category? Why not 10x or 12x? And this category seems ripe for a try from Kosmic or somewes or the other top runners, yes? If you ran 11 essentiallly flawless glitchless back-to-back, what kind of time are we looking at?
And while I'm posting, what's more impressive....the sub-5 one-hand, or the blindfolded completion (and under 15)?
Sorry if dumb questions, please lock/delete/ban as appropriate. Thanks!
The "sum of bests" ever achieved by humans, from save-states or in runs or whatever, is 4:55.213.
That includes the fastest 8-4 ever....which is more than 10 frames (0.167 seconds) faster than it's been done in any recent record run.
And as mentioned above, that also includes a framerule in 8-1 that has only been done from a save-state, and only by something like 4 people.
So those only get you to 4:55.213. To go 4:54, you'd need a faster 4-2 to save another framerule (0.350 seconds), which hasn't ever (yet?) been done by a human.
In short, for 4:54:
- Do all the tricks already being done.
- Add 8-1 that's only been done from savestates and only by approx 4 people.
- Add 4-2 that's never been done by a human in any way
- Run 8-4 about 2-3 frames faster than any recent record run.
p.s. Edited to change 8-1 to 4 people based on next post.
I don't think you're getting sweet little Mario far enough to the right with your backward bump jumps. I think you need to execute 3 of them (except under very special circumstances), which I'm not seeing.....maybe I'm missing it? I only see 1 in your first attempt and 1 or maybe 2 in your second attempt.
