I would like to know why stick figures are only to be used for online play? They're plentiful of runs that are used by Mr.Gold or others. They're part of the normal roster and they shouldn't be only online play. As well as some records can't be beaten now since some runs were previously used by Stick figures and other characters. It would be great if they were used for offline play too.
The choice to make sticks online only was a choice made by the moderators to prevent Mr. Gold from being used solo to make the level extremely trivial and so players would not be forced to use Ms. White since she is by far the fastest character. Could you please link the offline runs that have stick figures so I can fix them.
Upon examining all scenario runs I have concluded that the only offline scenario run that uses Mr. Gold or any other stick figure was your run of DT on nightmare. If you have any other questions related to this topic feel free to ask here
Out of curiosity, is this still a thing? I've looked at the rules for runs and there is no longer any mention of it. I'm looking at getting back into it but I wanna be sure of what's allowed before I start working on it again
It does, thanks! I've gotta ask though, why the difference in rules between emulator and console regarding the characters?
Long story short, emulator players have access to everything and everyone so no one is disadvantaged. Console though can't access file 3 dubbed characters unless you use gameshark.
https://obsrv.org/wiki/index.php?n=Main.CharacterStatistics
This details which characters are 'file 3'.
I suppose it's because not everyone has the means to load an emulated save file to their console. I wasn't sure one could use a jp save file from emulator on say a PAL console save it's just not something I tried.
Yeah I was just thinking it seemed a bit stupid really because it's very easy to put save files onto your memory card if you have access to ulaunchelf, which I think it's safe to say 99% of speedrunners on console most likely do. But the argument that not everyone on console has access to a gameshark is a bit weak since you could just as easily say that not all speedrunners have a PC fast enough to run PCSX2 reliably... It works both ways really.
Yeah but then take that route and you can say people who lack electricity, a computer, limbs with which to play, heck I lack the time to compete so do we limit how much we grind? Not meaning to sound argumentative but there comes a point when anyone who wants to speedrun REOB on pc should have a pc that can play it. This isn't Cyberpunk 2077 where you need a high level PC or a PS4 Pro because it's that much better than the PS4 with loading and frame rates. REOB on an emulator is really basic. You could have a super old pc to the point parts have been discontinued and it will still work reliably.
Anyone who goes the PC route gets file 3 content unlocked straight away or it's just an extra step of installing a file. Same as making REOB HDD instead of disc. No one is prevented from doing this, it's free. It's not worth making rules to exclude content that is accessible to everyone anyway. This is why a tracker and file 3 were eventually allowed because it was harder to make rules and enforce them to prevent people using them than it was to let them be used.
For console users, they start off with a console and the game, that's their baseline. I don't have gameshark, or ulanchelf (sorry don't know what that is). What if you have a PS2 and have no means to connect it to the internet? What if you can't connect to the internet with your PS3 for that matter? Let's say you could record the run and get someone else to upload to get around that obstacle.
It's up to the mods to change the rules if it is clear everyone on console can play at the same level on entry. The last time this came up I think it was stated that all file 3 characters are basically inferior in one way or another anyway so anyone speedrunning wouldn't use them anyway so to go to the effort of modifying console versions to use file 3 when it wouldn't be used seems a mute point anyway.
The best thing you can do is present your case for why file 3 should be allowed for console users and how everyone could easily. Convince the mods that people who can't modify their consoles wouldn't be disadvantaged. If you succeed then the rules will change.
I saw ms.white in Wild thing very hard melee (offline with ai) I remember that Melee only use lone wolf for some reason right? because we cant control the ai from using every weapons in the game even it show that ai never grab those weapons with program showing inventory to prove so only allow ai in emu version right?
I know that it almost impossible to melee very hard lone wolf alone yes... but i think there would be a very crazy guys out there try to do it if they know how to clear it. (it should be longer than 17:00 for sure)
(End of the road) final chapter was the most easiest very hard melee run without using any melee weapons at all)
Wild thing should be consider the most hardest melee in very hard mode with lone wolf due to limit inventory and stuffs should be almost 30 or 1 hour run.
the game only considers damage to enemies by the AI if the AI is in the same room as you so this is not a problem for melee only with AI
I just hope they dont grab a gun at some point in your game and use it even in the same room or not. (Ban Mark & Kevin, Gorge AI)
these characters already had gun (Capsule gun still count that can damage BOW with white capsule)
But due to Emu program show inventory that help fix those thing & made it clear.
In Console should only use lonewolf.
Emu should be consider allow ai. (Clear Enough)
Note: Your Gorge ai still used Bug spray in melee run. If they once equip and number of use just decreasd that consider not melee anymore even the same room or not. (That why only lone wolf)
No need to mention about the same room damage because the rule said that weapon was not allow to grab & equip in the run anyway.
Melee Weapon: A weapon composed of solid material meant to establish a blow of force (physical damage) without firing projectiles. (David Monkeywrech & Big stone still allow)
Therefore, any weapons that do elemental damage or penetration damage are banned in this category.
These include: -Stun Gun -Stun Rod -Chemical Bottles -Molotovs -Explosives of Any Kind
the game considers stun rod as a melee weapon
you can see the proof in this video:
but this leaderboard dont allow by Moderator (Rule already) Otherwise Those Moltov and stun gun others ETC. would be allow.
The game said Chemical bottle is melee too u know? (Game Logic & gamefaq)
https://www.speedrun.com/reobf2/thread/34u1i so i talk with moderator before that it shouldnt be allow and moderator agree.
and they even said you need to play lonewolf only.
Your AI friend just grab Bug spray and uses it somewhere already. (9,5,2 In the end)
that break the rule of melee run. (you cant control AI)
I think you should run it again with solo lonewolf. (you can do it ez)
you knew how to safe kill elephant and knew all the strats
but it maybe take a longer time (just Coins & inventory alone)
but in the end you still can clear it and got truly melee wr. (You even got Lone wolf VH wr too 2 in 1)
After i watched it i can see that you can clear it for sure with solo.
Lonewolf to avoid ai from destoying your run with Grab & equip ban weapon.
dude i don't think you understand anything Molotov is not considered as a melee weapon (game rule) stun rod considered melee weapon (game rule)
George AI did not inflict damage to any enemy ( he was not in the room as me, the player) (so the game didnt count that he attacked or even done damage to any enemy) so its still actually count as a melee only run
so i think moderators have to review or change some rules, because they category are wrong they are going against the game itself, did you understand me?
The mod response from a couple years ago was as follows from DrMaxtermind
"Ok Witchakorn I have editted the rules so far for REOB File 1 and File 2 will be updated soon. Here are the new definitions for melee weapons:
Melee Weapon: A weapon composed of solid material meant to establish a blow of force (physical damage) without firing projectiles.
Therefore, any weapons that do elemental damage or penetration damage are banned in this category.
These include: -Stun Gun -Stun Rod -Chemical Bottles -Molotovs -Explosives of Any Kind"
as for the resolution of this, I'd have to slightly disagree with Max's ruling on some weapons like the stun rod. However this isn't for me to decide alone, so I'll be giving my viewpoint and then I shall link the other mods to this post. In my opinion, there are 3 types of weapons in outbreak. Firearms, Throwables, and Melee weapons. I will list all weapons and my interpretation of their categories.
Firearms include; Handgun, Handgun SG, Handgun GL, Handgun HP, Mark's Handgun, .45 Auto for Kevin, Capsule Shooter, Ampulse Shooter, Shotgun, Shotgun E, Grenade Launcher (All Rounds), Revolver, Magnum Revolver, Magnum Handgun, Burst Handgun, Hunting Rifle, Assault Rifle, Sub-machinegun, Rocket Launcher.
Throwables include;
Gray Chemical Bottle, Yellow Chemical Bottle, Green Chemical Bottle, Molotov Cocktail, David's Monkey Wrench, Concrete Piece. (technically also the Stick, Bent Iron Pipe, and Broken Crutch, but since you have to break melee weapons to get them I feel like those three are fair game.)
Melee Weapons include; Iron Pipe, Curved Iron Pipe, 'Bent Iron Pipe, Crutch, 'Broken Crutch, Long Pole, Wooden Pole, Square Timber, 'Stick, Scrub Brush, Hammer, Stun Rod, Stun Gun, Spear, Folding Knife, Butcher Knife, Survival Knife, Axe.
there are also a few misc. weapons that I feel don't fit in these three categories but also don't really deserve their own which are; Pesticide Spray, Flame Spray, Time Bomb.
In my opinion, only things listed under the Melee category should count for Melee Only runs, but we'll also see what the other mods think. As a final side note, do be careful about letting AI's hold non melee weapons, if they don't hit any meaningful enemies/bosses it shouldn't affect your run's verification imo.
