This is a preface to explain that I want to take action to create a proof of concept, but I also need y'all to be aware of some issues. The first part of this reply is some issues involving implementation, which do not need to be addressed right now, and the second part is the plans for a proof of concept of this filter, which will be released soon.
Disclaimer: This is not a permanent change to the leaderboard. This is a process of testing the waters for this concept instead of speculating outcomes. If you do not agree with the actions taking place, provide a constructive response as to why. This applies to both sides.
The skill level of anything not Nova is probably the best counter-(counter-?)argument that holds some weight behind it. It is definitely significantly easier to "master" a different frame other than Nova. I can definitely see how this could help more novice runners get their feet wet into speedrunning.
However, the next biggest step that would need to be hurdled is implementation. These questions were not necessarily discussed, so I'd like to clear these up.
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Implementation of this filter would require an extensive overhaul of the backend variables if it is not applied to all categories. A global variable, like the Update variable, is a single variable that applies to all runs in every category, even if new categories are created. If this variable only applies to certain categories, there will be a major implementation delay. Is it really worth it at that point? I only bring this issue up, because there's 60+ categories available and for each to have a separate variable would be quite a major task to overcome.
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I'm assuming that there will only be two filters: Nova and No Nova. Does Nova have a significant enough gap to separate herself from literally all other frames?
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How would categories where other frames dominate certain leaderboards be handled? Examples: Nyx in Dojo Parkour; Ember in MR 4 test.
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Would this filter be handled as a variable (where the filter appears in the column) or as a subcategory (where the filter will have two separate leaderboards)?
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How would a filter like this apply to the full-game leaderboard, such as Planet runs, where frames can be freely swapped between each mission?
These are just some details that need to be addressed, but is not necessarily the end point of discussion. I'm extremely uncomfortable with a filter like this (this is an objective point of view, not an elitist one), as I do not agree with an obvious segregation like this. However, I'm willing to work with y'all, if y'all would indulge me the same courtesy.
Seeing as there seems to be a large enough interest for a filter like this, the only way to satisfy the mod team as soon as possible is through proof of concept. As such, there are two candidates that I would like to test this system on, both with the ability to be dominated by Nova. The first category is the developing individual level Test: Sabotage megacategory. Once fully developed, Sabotage will have three other subcategories under each category: Fire, Ice, and Magnetic. The second category I would like to try this with is on the developing full-game leaderboard Spy Rush category. This is similar to the Boss Rush category, except with the spies being the focus.
Once these categories are developed, I'll make an announcement about the testing filter, so please rally others to try out this new concept. The more interest, the better I can help build a case to use this. The points up above do not need to be addressed when these test categories are released, but will need to be ironed out before it can implemented globally.
I could say Warframe, because it's free-to-play and has a variety of different categories to play around with. But this could also be an #Ad.
Your best bet is to find the games you like to play and just try to speedrun those games. I've personally tried multiple games, including games I love and games I hate, and I am still not interested in many of them to speedrun. You'll be able to speedrun a game once you are personally motivated to speedrun the game.
https://www.speedrun.com/Speedrunning/forum is a better place to ask your question since your problem is related to hardware for speedrunning a specific game (and some other stuff). However, I'll still indulge an answer.
Your best bet is ask the community directly about your situation, as this is a specific game and I don't own a Mario Kart game. According to their current rules, you cannot use emulators. However, there seems to be an ongoing switch to in-game time which may allow it, but there's no solid date when this will happen and discussion of allowing emulators will be conducted after the switch. Link to their forums with all the information you could ever ask for: https://www.speedrun.com/mkw/forum
I left a post in the Feedback thread about a variable that would not appear in the columns of the leaderboard, but could still be filtered. This feature may not be seen for a very, very long time, but the suggestion is there and continued patience is needed.
For now, I will not honor the current filter request until the suggested feature has been created. While I find information like this very valuable, I also do not allow the obvious segregation this currently would create. I also ask that the community respect the choices of frames and to not allow a tolerance of an elitist frame attitude. Basically, it boils down to the following points, which may be updated in the Rules & Guidelines.
- Respect a player's choice of frame. If they need help, provide help for their selected frame. "Just use X frame" is NOT a satisfactory response and should be an attitude shunned by our community.
- Do not use your current placement on the leaderboard as a judgement of your skill or ability. The most important aspect I stress is that your placement is not the purpose of these leaderboards. Your current placement is meant to be as a motivator for you to improve your skill towards a better potential placement and to use other runs to help you improve. The competition we have created on these leaderboards is to allow you to work towards the goal that you create.
This thread will be unstickied, but discussion will continue onward. Feel free to leave your comments and feedback.
I'm in talks with @--Q--Alchameth about making updates to the Endurance Rules and Guidelines and I find that it's massive enough to entail some form of discussion amongst the related community. If you're curious on why Warframe Speedruns curates the endurance community, please read this thread: https://www.speedrun.com/wf/thread/hg3pv
These changes are not live and will require some shaping before implementation. Also, none of these changes apply to speedruns.
Here's a list of the proposed changes. Feel free to provide feedback on them.
- All submissions require, at minimum, two screenshots. The first screenshot is from Mission Success and the second is from the weekly leaderboards. There is no exception to this requirement.
- All world record attempts will require, at minimum, video proof of the last 60 minutes of the run. There is no exception to this requirement.
- No different categories/variables will be created between fissure missions and non-fissure missions.
I marked in parenthesis to utilize sliding operator if SV is finished. Not sure how accurate it is, but will update again if this is not the case. It's an understatement for how long it's been since I tried TWW (late April 2017), so I'm slow with things that need to be updated.
As for the The Escape segment, is this the same segment we're referring to? The one where you spam your swap button and then X until the dialogue is over.
Updated everything else.
- Is Saya's Vigil required to have the operator slide?
- At what point in the run are the choices present?
- Also, I'm not sure what you are trying to explain with Escape. Is this referencing The Escape segment?
Variables that are hidden from the leaderboard columns, but still show in Filters (for further filtering) and directly within the run. This would help with runs that have different aspects to the runs that can be useful when searching for specific criteria, but does not necessarily warrant a new column.
@E_Dragon, the information would be very valuable, but currently the website is limited on how it handles variables. Any new filter added is essentially another column on the leaderboard. I'll leave a suggestion for hidden variables except through the filter system and viewing the run directly on the development-related channels and hopefully we will see something going forward. Current plans for December/January look like notification updates and possibly site messages.
There was a large discussion on our Discord's #category-discussion channel about utilizing a new filter to separate runs between runs that used Nova and those that did not. I asked that this conversation be moved outside of the Discord to these forums for more clarity and reducing the risk of lost information over time.
Here's the basic points for context:
- Nova dominates a majority of all categories on these leaderboards. This is due to her Wormhole ability being an instantaneous transport to any destination the ability is cast towards. There is currently no competitor that can beat her on similar skill levels.
- The current intention of the leaderboard underneath @zopney 's leadership is to highlight the best method of completing one of the category objectives quickly.
- There is currently very little deviation away from Nova, exceptions being Dojo Parkour, solo Teralyst, and some others.
- This was addressed in the past and placed in the New Category Guidelines.
Proposal: Implement a new filter that separate runs between Nova runs and non-Nova runs to showcase the variety of Warframes utilized.
Counterarguments against this idea include:
- Deviation from original intention of the leaderboard (see bullet point 2 above).
- Minor, arbitrary uses that is not significant except adding more points to fill out on every form.
- Ugliness of the leaderboards with a new row of variables.
- An unsustainable variable that changes as the game progresses.
- A vague implementation of the filter. No ideal situation for the use of filter except as a Yes/No boolean on use of Nova.
- A rabbit hole of specific details. It's been argued about when will there be a Nyx/No Nyx filter for Dojo Parkour, as Nyx currently dominates that category.
This issue has been debated in the past and the prior consensus then was to not allow a filter like this to exist, as it only allows further segregation of the leaderboards. The lack of this filter does not invalidate any runner's attempts as a legitimate speedrun. All runs receive the same moderation treatment no matter the time, submitter, or frame utilized. However, I do not want to overstep my bounds as community leader/super moderator just to prevent a filter like this from existing, I am simply looking for a correct method of implementation that satisfies all members of the community.
The idea of adding more information to runs for more value in the data is always considered, but the technical limitations of the website prevents an unseen variable from currently being implemented. Therefore, the filter would not be implemented until specific updates to the website were added.
So what are your thoughts on a filter like this?
- Updated Kuva Survival to have amount of kuva harvested represented as milliseconds represented in the thousands. Example: 50,000 kuva harvested is 50 milliseconds on the leaderboard.
P22 Bayer Universal. I find this font to be really well designed and has been worth the money. For anywhere else as it's available, I choose Lato, Calibri, or, if nothing else available, Arial.
Since the amount of categories allowed on these leaderboards are generally limited by creative potential, a shorter list of categories that are not allowed is easier to make.
The following is a list of categories that are not allowed on these leaderboards (and subsequently the official leaderboards as well). Reminder that this list is not the sole reference for allowable categories and every suggestion of a new category undergoes a subjective review by a moderator.
- Any category that involves a form of banning for any Warframe-related medium. This includes, but not limited to, speedrunning support desk bans, in-game account bans, region chat bans, Warframe-related Twitch channel bans, and Warframe-related Discord bans.
- Any category that shows any form of abuse towards oneself, another player, or an entity. Ex: speedrunning the time until a squad member aborts a mission, because a pre-made squad of three refuses to extract.
- Any category that involves a chat related element to it when the sole objective or majority of the objective is chat related. Ex: speedrunning a sale of an item.
- Any category with the sole purpose of inciting a negative response due to its nature as a speedrun or indirectly via other means such as audio, description, etc. Ex: an overly difficult category called "Painful Category" would be acceptable, whereas a title of "Suicide Category" will not be allowed.
- Archived MR 9 IL and MR 1 - 10 due to changes in the game and created the replacement categories. Categories will be available for submission starting on October 31. Relevant Trello card: https://trello.com/c/0yCx4VNq/29-mr-1-10-and-mr-9-ils
- New categories related to the upcoming Fortuna update will be expedited and a new super category for full-game and individual levels will be created. Filtering and cleanup will occur at some time in late November/early December to integrate the super category into the leaderboards.
- Removed all secret goodies from leaderboards.
No plans for Tenno-only on these leaderboards as it is more suited for Category Extensions.
- Broke down the Endurance category into separate categories underneath Full-Game Leaderboard > Miscellaneous.
- Moved the long set of rules for Endurance into its own guide.
- Added Kuva Survival as a high score board. This is a separate leaderboard meant to focus on most kuva harvested versus longest time spent in the mission. Longest time spent on Taveuni can still be submitted to the new Survival leaderboard.
- Update for endurance website: @alchameth is growing the endurance community and will look into the website at a later time. In the mean time, feel free to join the Endurance Discord and practice around with other likeminded players: https://discord.gg/pAdKtRW
I wanted to speedrun Pokemon Trading Card Game (I read somewhere to pick a game you wouldn't hate after running it a thousand times) after watching AGDQ 2016, so I figured I record it and upload it to a well-known leaderboard. I went inactive after that.
When I returned, I stayed because I ended up becoming involved with the Warframe leaderboards where I spend most of my time fooling around on as my hobby (the leaderboards/community, notsomuch the game anymore).