Thanks for the answer Hirexen :) Didn't realize J version had those time losses and that US is fastest due to that. No need to change anything then :)

Hey everyone!

Since I recently came back to speedrunning it fairly recently came to my attention about the version differences of the US and J versions and now I'm wondering why aren't we running the J version for WR attempts since it's easier to get runs going thanks to the health refills?

Running the fastest region version between US and J is normal so I guess my question is: how do people feel about merging the boards to just 1 any% board instead?

you have a video of it? =)

Anyone of you have contact with Xiuluowentian? Would like to tell him that we're taking down his run because of what we discussed and if he wants to get back on the leaderboard he will have to do it on an approved emulator like FCEUX.

Being scared of cheaters was one of the reasons why I wanted it separated in the first place but I think we should merge the leaderboards again and if someone is doing shady stuff we just ask them to prove that they can do what they're doing with webcam or something. We know Arcus can do the mashcanceling fast since we see him on stream all the time, but it someone on emulator and no webcam etc does some crazy stuff all off a sudden I think it's fair of us to ask the person to prove themselves, and if someone called me out on something like that I would be more than happy to show as much as I can in order to prove myself. Kinda like when we reached out to Firemizuque about his NG2 run asking him stuff and to prove that he could do what he did in the run. It sucks having to do that, but I think that's better than having the leaderboards separated.

I would like to know also if you guys are ok with me taking down the 12:41 run due to banned emulator and multiple inputs?

Sorry for all the inconvenience. Honestly I feel that the leaderboard was better before when not separated. We tried it and after reading all the feedback I feel like the separation have more negative things to it than positive.

My personal wishes is that speedrunning would be done on original hardware, but the reality is that's not how the speedrunning community works and therefore I think the leaderboard should go back to the way it was.

What I think we should do now:

• Revert the leaderboard to normal
• Take down Xiu's run by default for using extra mechanics.
• Enforce the rules of proper EMU with input display, no movie window showing etc.
• Allow keyboards yes/no?

Thanks for the feedback 100Ton :)

I hate to see that you feel this way Garadas, and I hate this whole situation.. Which is why I was kinda done with this game because I feel whatever we do there's gonna be something bad coming out of it :/

Now for the followup question for the community: kokorowolf said that Xiuluowentian used banned emulator and inputs that are not allowed... Do we reach out to Xiuluowentian and see what he says? Do we take down his run if we get ahold of him and get it confirmed about the inputs?

thanks kokorowolf :) do you know if he can hold UP+Back+B during his stage 4 boss kill? you can only shoot ninpo with up+B but if I can hold back at the same time that helps him ALOT.

I also agree with what Backslash said. Separate categories for Console/EMU Ban GOTVG emulator Allow keyboards.

Before I share my opinions on this: I just had a look at Xiuluowentian's other run on SR.com (Shadow of the Ninja - 11 min flat) and first thing I noticed was that weird message in the bottom left. Since I have no experience with FCEUX, do you know if the message is "recording movie" or "playing movie" or what is it?

About NG3: Yes I do believe that keyboard has a small advantage in the ways that if you master it you can get really fast and consistent wallclimbs and you could potentially learn the ninja fap (jump then repeat B->Up+A as fast as you can without pressing Up+B by mistake since that would use ninpo). You can see Xiuluowentian do this technique on the stage 5 boss while jumping backwards at the same time on top of that. If it weren't for that he actually misses the first 2 attacks while trying this and his fight is ~1 sec slower than mine, I would lean towards this run being spliced. But I do think (hope?) this run is legit, and to be honest what I see from his gameplay he might have an edge on better wallclimbs, maybe 0.5-1 second at most on the whole run (just pulling a number out my ass). What I'm trying to say is that his edge is minimal at this point but I've always been worried of what this could lean into if someone where to beat his time on console and he would come back.

So what to do? I think his run should remain cause my wallclimbing can be on par with his on console (just a weirder motion on a NES d-pad than pianoing the keyboard), BUT I'm voting for an additional rule for the Ninja Gaiden series for all WR runs in the future to be done on console (since we've had a couple of questionable runs to say the least submitted to the NG series).

Sorry for the long post xD