Moderator not following rules of a category
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5 years ago
Victoria, Australia

Actually that's just a thing people do out of courtesy. It isn't a written rule. @Shirdel is very consistent with the game and if this was a livestream I would've pointed to that and gone "here's the courtesy bit you wanted" but since this was a one and done, can't really do that.

Also spotting for Difficulty isn't a hard thing to do surprisingly, you just have to judge if it's Normal or Hard if they submit the wrong Difficulty.

편집한 사람 작성자 5 years ago
United Kingdom

Hi!

It is true that it doesn't say anywhere in the rules that you have to show the settings before starting your run, it just says that those settings need to be in effect. I wouldn't cheat on my runs, as other people can vouch. I've spent literal days trying to beat tough runs in other Tekken games (most recently getting back a WR in Tekken 4 by 2 seconds after 20+ hours of grinding). You should be able to tell that this run is on Hard just by looking at it; the AI is immediately difficult from stage 1 onward, which is not the case in Easy or Medium. The AI will almost never tech roll before stage 6 on Medium, which is another tell that the game's on Hard.

Good luck if you choose to keep running this category! I hope you keep getting better and give me a tough time :)

Victoria, Australia

I'm just going to rewrite what I wrote before you write something out of hate again.

[quote=Spikestuff]Actually that's just a thing people do out of courtesy. It isn't a written rule.[/quote]

편집한 사람 작성자 5 years ago
United Kingdom

I just didn't think it would be a huge deal to show the options before submitting. For Tekken 3 specifically it's not necessary, as I and other users can very clearly tell what difficulty the AI is set to just by watching them during a run.

Just because I'm a moderator does not mean I shouldn't be allowed to submit my own runs. Other moderators are perfectly allowed to view my runs after and raise disputes with me, which has happened in the past. At this point I'd like to think that what I've done for this particular community over the past years is enough to warrant some trust in my integrity.

No disrespect, but I did that run in a single attempt because my original run was not optimised, and it was easy to beat that time by a large margin. Common sense by comparing how that runs play out compared to my Easy or Medium PBs would absolutely show you that the run is on Hard. I agree that on one hand that users could show their settings before a run and it's appreciated, but we don't make it required because it's very easy for a runner to splice that footage and then record a different run in a different difficulty. I and other moderators would much rather watch a run to confirm that the AI is behaving as it should, and I think if you do that with my run you'll be satisfied.

편집한 사람 작성자 5 years ago
Hampshire, England

Hello I am a moderator and am here to give you an answer.

Shirdel is a trusted and respected member of the Tekken community, and given that he has followed these rules in the tens of thousands of other Tekken speedruns that he's done over the years, no moderator has any reason to doubt that he would not follow the same rules in this run also.

This is also linked into the reason he is a moderator in the first place (and why he can self-verify), by being a trusted member of the community who other community members believe should hold that power.

I have since watched his run and can say that I have no reason to doubt that the run is absolutely valid and follows the rules, based on the AI behaviour (which is useful as a secondary guide to other runs on the board that do not show their difficulty, as this is not actually required as long as the difficulty can be proven).

You will find that if you put as much time and effort into speedrunning this series as Shirdel has, you will be able to easily contest the time you are claiming is invalid.

United Kingdom

I hope you keep doing runs! Just take a look at what TegoSamego has been doing in Tekken 4 recently. He's a new member of the community who's worked hard and is competing with me for WRs currently. I hope you work to keep improving your time on Tekken 3 also.

New Zealand

as i am very new to speed running i would like to give some input to this topic. i fell that showing your options pre run is an unspoken rule. but i fell that it should be a standard we as a community and professionals speed runners should apply in every speed run attempt. as i have for some of my runs i have had to show my options. if we were to apply a rule like as a standard. it wouldn't leave any unanswered questions.

United Kingdom

Yeah, that's understandable. Usually I stream my attempts, and people can look through the VoD to see what my settings are at from the start, but because this was a locally recorded run (I didn't want to stream this as I just wanted to do a run without bothering with all of the stream prep), I just edited it to show the main run.

I'm a little shocked that someone would go so far as to accuse me of cheating without any real proof, but I guess this is a lesson to be learned that no one is past scrutiny.

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