There's recently been more runs submitted that use gear glitches so I was wondering what people's stance on them are. The main two glitches utilizing gears would be gear clipping (clipping through walls by quickly equipping and unequipping a gear) and gear speed glitching (offsetting center of mass by using an emote like /e dance2 and jumping diagonally for more speed).

I've been wondering whether there should be a category split to seperate these glitches from the regular emote clip & wallhop runs. The main options would be:

1. Keep these glitches in the same category as it is right now.
2. Create a new sub-category for glitches utilizing gears.
3. Create a variable that tracks whether a run utilizes gears or not. (Would keep them in the same category but marks if the run utilizes gears so that people can then filter the leaderboard themselves)

In addition the current gear clipping runs that have been submitted all use gears that comes from the Typical Crate (Board With a Nail in It and Crowbar) https://www.speedrun.com/tcr/runs/y6vergqm https://www.speedrun.com/tcr/runs/zxqp8e8m https://www.speedrun.com/tcr/runs/yoxl7w5y

If we decide for a split I would like to discuss whether or not these should be included in the same category/sub-category/variable as the Typical Crate is currently unavailable in a few countries due to laws against lootboxes. (This restriction can be circumvented by using a VPN) There's also the potentional for gears coming from events (Advent calender, seasonal shop items, gamenights) to be utilized, as these gears would be more limited in availability it might be smart to split those in a way to.

I'm currently gearing (accidental pun oops) towards option 3 of creating a variable that tracks whether a run uses gears, and also tracking the source of where the gear was obtained. This would mean a variable with 4 options: No, Yes, Lootboxes, Events. We could also potentionally simplify this to 3 options merging either lootboxes & events, or merging yes & lootboxes.

Hoping for a productive discussion surrounding gear glitches in this thread, feel free to come with alternative solutions or things I might of missed too.

Using gear clips or any gears in speedrun in appropriate category was never allowed, but it also wasn't stated in rules. I think there's easier solution: just reject all speedruns with use of gear clip and speed glitch. Wallhops, dance clips, laugh clips won't make any sense, since people can just use gear clip from 3rd to 5th floors. And glitch category means + some walkspeed. In my opinion game will just become more boring.

Yeah it was in a pretty ambiguous state as it was never explicitly stated whether it was allowed or not and nobody really submitted runs using them. I do agree that they are pretty powerful and that they would pretty much dominate over the gearless glitches in terms of speed. I didn't really bring it up in the post but yes banning them could be an option too if we want that.

I'm still leaning towards atleast a split though for those who wish to use them which is why I made this post to gather opinions.

Welp, that's just my opinion

I already have a desert wr with it

This is the crusher obby game, if u use gear and skipping some stage, then it is not obby anymore.

but.. if you can glitch without gear, well.. its all good!

i dont agree with gear glitches run.

Well, lots of others use it, I can take the blame for it all since I was the one who started it all.

Back in 2016 I used red balloon to item clip, then in January 2024 I searched the crates and found out Board with a Nail worked better and is how it spread.

So I can personally take the blame for all of this, but regardless it's still a glitch, which makes it a glitch run, there's a reason there is a "glitchless" section and a "glitches" section.

Gear will be never allowed, if you can /e dance2 or /e laugh, then.. it will be a good run. well, gear will never be a skill.

#RejectAllofGearRuns

No type of glitches are skill.

I'm still split on what to do with runs using gear glitches but I've for now atleast created a sub category to section them off from the other runs. Feel free to continue discussing what to do with them in this thread.