@DoubleDouble

Place breaching charge a certain distance from second explosive, and second explosive will be launched across map when breaching charge is detonated. More explanation here: https://www.speedrun.com/hitman_3/guide/hetir

I can't say that I have seen a game so strongly affected by screen resolution before, but I think the closest analogue I am familiar with is FPS affecting the run.

In Hitman Blood Money, the FPS affects how far you can throw items, among other things. Thus, there are some records that can only be beaten with very high uncapped FPS, which to an extent would make the record pay to win (whoever has the best PC and highest FPS can throw grenades the farthest, so they win).

Consequently, the main category on this game is 60 FPS cap.

If you care about reducing hardware advantages in your game, I also advise you to set a standard resolution category if possible, a reasonable resolution the average PC monitor would be capable of.

If certain websites have different resolutions, then maybe just only allow a specific website?

Ultimately you and your community need to make some tough calls regarding competitiveness vs accessibility.

The spaces only show up if you use google translate to translate the page.

Ok, here's the thing about No Gun. A lot (not all!) but a lot of the No Gun strategies overlap with existing No Loadout records. If you would like evidence of this, simply check this list of videos of overlapping records.

I'm not a big fan of "overlapping categories" in general, as it creates a lot of unneeded work for moderators. Here's an example to illustrate my point.

I can say with 90% certainty that the Patient Zero No Loadout Record will be the No Gun record as well. But who knows, there is slim possibility that someone finds a faster No Loadout strategy for this level in the future that somehow utilizes a gun. Due to this tiny possibility, we need to have No Gun and No Loadout categories for Patient Zero.

The logical conclusion of this is that any new Patient Zero No Loadout record needs to be submitted to two categories every time. It's even worse for some levels like The Source, where SA and SASO are already generally the same strategy. Hello runners submitting one video to 4 categories! And if someone only feels the need to submit to one category of the 4 overlapping ones, then it is the moderator's job to submit that video to the other 3 categories.

I already went through this with Default Loadout/ Any Start. It didn't end well. I eventually could not keep up with submitting new submissions to 3 other categories.

Disclaimer: There are a lot of overlaps naturally occurring already. Many levels usually have SA and SASO as similar strategies just by their nature. However, there is still a logical limit to how much I am willing to tolerate.

I hope this sheds some light on my feelings about this and why I will probably not be adding this. I would be more open to the idea if there was a way to automate submissions of the same video to multiple categories.

"URL: The URL is the link to the leaderboard as browsed over the web and should be kept short and adequate. It’s usually set as an acronym. Examples: /oot /mm /mp /sms"

https://www.speedrun.com/knowledgebase/editing-a-leaderboard

Yeah, this should be fixed ASAP as there will be instances where a notable runner does not have an account on speedrun.com for some reason or another, and is open to having the run submitted on their behalf by game moderators.

It should be noted that you currently can submit runs under the name "Anonymous" and they will not be linked to any account on the site. This obviously isn't a good workaround however. Because, among other reasons, if you have TWO users who both are "anonymous" on a given leaderboard, the slower run will be hidden (as they are considered the same user and the slower run is obsolete).

[quote=Merl_]You will probably need to edit all of the submitted runs and add the IGT to them.[/quote]

This is actually a huge pet peeve of mine about IGT on this site, you are unable to have previously RTA timed runs switch to IGT by editing your default timing method, and vice versa.

On the other hand, with "Time without Loads", just enabling it as the default timing option will edit all previous RTA timed runs to "Time without Loads".

(By "RTA", I refer to the default "Time" timing option you get upon making a new game).

Not to mention that if a run has both IGT and RTA timing, the RTA is displayed more prominently on the run link, even if IGT is default timing method, as shown here: https://www.speedrun.com/darksoulsremastered/run/z0rqgwoz

Time without Loads is much better supported on this site in so many ways, to the point I recommend that moderators use "Time without Loads" / "Time with Loads" to distinguish RTA and IGT. Even if the game only has IGT and doesn't actually have an load remover.

"No DLC" refers to the levels played, not about the items used. In general, the main leaderboards are NG+ and allow any unlocks.

We do have a separate "default loadout" category in Category Extensions, which you can consider here: https://www.speedrun.com/hitman_2_extensions/run/znow8wly

Also note that lack of electrocution phone should not hamper you in any meaningful way, if you prefer to still play in the NG+ (main) categories. Check out this run: https://www.speedrun.com/hitman_3/run/y6n0l6pz

No electrocution phone is used, and the strats are over a minute faster than the Hitman 2 record. The strategies used in the above run are all backwards-compatible with Hitman 2 (well except Whittleton Creek I guess, the Nolan kill isn't possible like that in Hitman 2).

For Whittleton Creek, if you don't have electric phone you can do something like this: https://www.speedrun.com/hitman_3/run/y8vrnp5z

There was not, and even if there was, it is not necessary to use muffin in Colorado to begin with.

No muffin setup:

And if you are talking about overall strategy, Apecticor was livestreaming attempts just 2 days ago, and Colorado worked the same.

No, it is allowed. Full policy (which is also in rules): https://rentry.org/h3_standard

Sounds very vague.

If you reset during a full game run, add the time shown on the mission timer HUD, when you reset, to the total in-game time.

The mission timer is shown on Options -> HUD -> Mission Timer from main menu of game.

Loading saves is not allowed, only resetting the mission completely.

I edited my post to have hopefully better formatting

@B0KB0K Throwing melee weapon while crouched and behind a waist high barrier will knock out NPC without getting compromised.

Part of me feels like these posts are somewhat pointless because it's just repeating the same complaints in the hopes that will make the fix come faster.

I will repost my last list of requests however.

And yes, I submitted most of these previously to the support hub... for all the good it is doing....

example of what's wrong with category layout

• If a "top level" category for a leaderboard has more than 4 categories, any extra categories are hidden behind a "scroll right" button.
  • (In this context, a "top level" category is any category you can edit via Edit Game -> Categories).
  • This means you will need to keep pressing the scroll button as many as 5 or 6 times for Category Extension leaderboard with a lot of "top level" categories.

example of what's wrong with subcategory layout

• Any subcategory below the top level categories (any category that you can edit via Edit Game -> Variables) will always be hidden behind a dropdown menu if there are more than about 4 subcategories.
  • This is inconsistent with how excessive top level categories are handled, it seems weird that at least the first 4 subcategories are not shown in a row on the leaderboard, and that they are all hidden behind a dropdown.

I think the thing that irks me with the new category dropdown/ scroll right button is it comes off as very condescending and bureaucratic for the sake of being bureaucratic Game mods could already hide extra categories under miscellaneous categories if they wanted before; clearly if they didn’t do that they had a good reason to. For instance, maybe the game mods figured it is better a leaderboard look a little messy aesthetically, than it being hard to find all the categories. Either way, it should be left to the community/ moderators of each game, and not handled by a central bureaucracy.

The category layout change comes off as Elo thinking they know better than the individual game mods of how to format leaderboards and taking it into their own hands.

• Ideally, we can just revert the category layout to how it is before, giving game moderators full creative control on how they would like to structure their leaderboard categories. Again, I am baffled by this change, and misc. categories are effectively obsolete in leaderboards with many categories now. The freedom for which categories to hide and how is out of game moderator's hands now.

Alternate Solutions, if reverting the changes altogether is not possible or desired by Elo

• Note that "4 categories" is a rough heuristic here, the maximum amount of categories per row seems to also be affected by the number of words in each category name.
• For top level categories (see first picture above), please put excessive categories beyond the first 4 in a dropdown menu (similar to how misc. categories worked before). I'd much rather use a dropdown menu to access additional categories, than use a scroll right button, which could take ages on some leaderboards.
• For subcategories (see second picture above), please format at least the first 4 subcategories in a row on the leaderboard, before putting any further categories into a dropdown menu. As it is, it doesn't seem logical that if you have 4 subcategories all will be shown on the leaderboard, but 5 or 6 categories will result in only one being shown, and the rest in a dropdown. Let's have some consistency here between top level category and subcategory layout.

• We need the ability to selectively apply subcategories and categories to some, but not all levels. Similarly, we need ability to apply subcategories to some but not all categories.
• I'd also like to point out that currently you cannot apply subcategories to one specific subcategory, although you can apply subcategories to one specific top level category. More explanation here.

To be clear, this is about the "view all levels" leaderboard table, for example: https://www.speedrun.com/hitman_3

• Problem 1: The IL table can only show up to 4? subcategories until you have to use a scroll bar. As can be seen by this monstrosity. Now, a scroll bar in and of itself isn't a huge deal, but the UI on the table with scroll is terrible. You literally can't see the top column labels once you scroll down the table a bit, and you similarly can't see the row labels once you scroll right, meaning I've had to add "placeholder runs" to the Hitman 3 Extensions leaderboards, which is kind of ridiculous compensation for bad site design.

  • I've proposed a few solutions to this issue here. Namely, utilize space on each side of the table better (probably won't happen due to Elo loving ads), or add row/ column labels that will scroll with you.

• Problem 2: The IL table only shows the "default" category of IL runs. Ex: You can only see PC runs as default here: https://www.speedrun.com/rogue1/levels

  • You should be able to toggle between subcategories and be able to see all IL console runs on a leaderboard table for a quick summary, instead of having to go into each individual level to see the console record. That's just inane. More explanation here.
  • Being able to toggle between subcategories on the IL table would also help a lot for organizing leaderboards better to avoid the issue of having to have more than 4 columns of categories to begin with, thus avoiding the scroll bar issue above.

These aren't huge issues, but the sum total of these oversights really makes me feel like IL's are discriminated against here.

• Why does the "active players" stat in game statistics not count IL runs? Are they deemed lesser by Elo? Example At the very least, please separate out an "active full game players" and "active IL players", similarly to how there are separate "recent IL runs" and "recent full game runs" stats.
• Why does the "recent runs" widget prioritize the category of the IL run over the level it was played on? I feel like if I had to only have one category or subcategory to go off of, I'd want to know which level a run was performed on, vs knowing if the run was any% (example) category. I literally cannot comprehend any info from the recent runs widget when it comes to IL runs.

• We really should get ability to have separate timing methods for IL vs full game, this is long overdue
• There should be option to only have in-game timing/ loadless timing, without also having "real time" tacked on. Some games are just IGT only, why is real time forced onto it needlessly? Coming form someone who has to edit out false "real time" submissions for eternity for IGT games.
• Even when IGT is the default timing method, the real time is prioritized when you click on the run, as seen here. This is strange, especially because when using RTA loadless, the RTA loadless time is shown first over the RTA with loads on the run.
• Ability to mass edit runs would be so helpful as sometimes you decide later down the road you want to switch timing methods.

##6. Website/ Discord Link UI Problems (relatively minor, you can focus on top 5 ideas I guess)

• Why did Elo remove the website and discord server labels? You can barely see those tiny little symbols now. Also, labeling the website gave much needed context to what the website was, so the player knows if the site is worth clicking or not.
• At some point will other games besides the sponsored one (Severed Steel) get the option to have multiple Discord servers linked on the page? Ex: https://www.speedrun.com/severed_steel Or is this a pay to have feature? Seems discriminatory when only this game has it. Many other games have multiple speedrun Discord servers for one reason or another and could use this.
  • Note that you can't even tell which discord server is what on the Severed Steel page due to Elo removing labels on them... nice...

It shows up for me after setting the "version" filter as 1.00

That makes me think this is related to how you set up your version filter. If you have a certain value set as the "default" version variable, turn off the "default" value- this can hide runs from the leaderboard.

You just have to put a [] in front of the username so it won't link to an account, like []Mr. X

You can put a country code (just google " <country> 2 letter country code") in these brackets if you want, like [us]Mr. X will embed a US flag, but it's not necessary.

Welcome to just upload the runs to Youtube and ask others to join you :)

Make sure you check out Lazarus's Dubai no gun run (not sure if he did more)

Some of the existing No Loadout runs are also No Gun, so make sure to check those. (List below may not be wholly correct or comprehensive, just a quick skim of the archives)

Most of this guy's runs: https://www.youtube.com/user/tribell410/playlists

?? What are the odds two people requested the same thing. https://www.speedrun.com/hitman_3_extensions/thread/33u9l

Answer is probably still no, sounds a bit too restrictive for speedrunning.

The truth is, I think we will not add any categories anymore, there are arguably already too much. Very few play the default loadout/ any start category or default loadout/ start (new game) categories for instance. Most of the full game category extensions are also untouched. And for any given category, the saso and especially saso master subcategories are a little barren. ET and especially Escalation leaderboards could also use some more love (https://www.speedrun.com/hitman_3_et), (https://www.speedrun.com/hitman_3_escalations).

Let's catch up on what's already here first :)

The rules are intentionally written in a somewhat vague way to account for subjective rulings, with factors like popularity taken into account. This is why there are some games that are allowed pre-release on speedrun.com but not others.

[quote]Well-known users or moderators of other games in a series may request unreleased games beginning 21 days prior to launch. In rare cases, requests for unreleased games may be accepted by well-known users and only at site staff discretion. Series moderators may also add games to complete a series. Games will not be added prior to release for users who are not well-known.[/quote]

[quote] Early Access Titles Games in a very early development stage will be examined much more thoroughly, and if balancing and bug changes are happening quite frequently we may hold off on accepting the request for a board until the game is more developed. [/quote]

https://www.speedrun.com/knowledgebase/game-request-rules

General advice from someone who has moderated "live service/ in development" games:

• Pay attention to how the game in question is updated, and if it is an Always Online title.
• Note that in some cases, it can be hard to downpatch games via Steam (I believe devs now have to specifically allow certain patches to be downpatched nowadays on Steam). If it's too hard to downpatch for whatever reason, you may need to

If it's Always Online game or otherwise hard to downpatch, then you need to make sure the main category is only for current patch runs/ runs that are possible on current patch, and reject older patch runs/ move older patch runs to an archived category.

Otherwise, if the game can be downpatched easily, it is up to you whether to keep all runs all in one category or separate runs by patch. This probably depends on the general community interest in running all or only some patches.

Another concern is about full game runs. You only mention individual level runs here, but full game runs may be something of interest later. You want to avoid making a full game category too soon (ideally wait until development is over), or else the developer may release more levels in the future and you will have to redefine what the "full game" category means. Otherwise, you may need to split categories.

For instance, Dark Souls 3 has a category for "All Bosses (with DLC)" and another category for All Bosses (no DLC), as the All Bosses (no DLC) category was created and run before the Dark Souls 3 DLC was released.