SRC getting involved with bounties seems like a bad idea, given how many people flake out on them.

Sorry all. I traveled, and the trip wore me out. Going to try to get to some of the timing stuff soon.

Frankly if you're obsessively refreshing a moderator's page, you're just stalking that mod, and you have bigger problems, mister. Get a life.

So we're not going to get 'exact possible' times at that frame rate. I'm not going to worry about what's a "viable frame" at 59.922751fps. :)

See, it seems to me you gain control a frame AFTER the castle becomes visible.

So on your video for example, AVIdemux has the castle become visible at: 0:01.768s. However there's a two frame gap before you move despite having held down L, so it seems to me you gain control one frame later, at 0:01.801s.

And of course the first frame where the color shifting hapepns would be at 0:36.269s.

So I'm getting a 34.468s.

I'm going to take the video and plop it into yua. 1.801 -> 36.269

And if you look at youtube, your run starts at ~0:01, and ends at ~0:36.

So I don't know why you're claiming a 32.099, when your video evidence simply doesn't back it up.

Your 32.099 doesn't at all match what I'm seeing in the video you supplied, using two completely different video frame advance tools to test, as well as Youtube's own player.

Video:

Sorry I've been slow on this. I've had some unrelated issues lately sucking up some of my time.

Do you have a source on the exact Atari frame rate?

When it comes to old consoles and weird frame rates, I'm inclined to just fall back on the best we get from the recording, rather than trying to interpolate.

Alright, let me download and retime them. We've got a new claimed WR anyway. Let me see what I get re-timing and then see how that compares with what you get.

How are you determining the first frame?

Additionally, can you give a summary of what changes you want made, and why, that doesn't require watching multiple videos?

When I time a run, I use as the cut off the moment when the colors start to change on screen, signifying victory. That way it doesn't matter what screen you're on. If it were up to me, that's what the rules would explicitly say.

It'd be nice if you could order your accounts on your profile, in order to tell people the best way to contact you. Twitch whispers may get to me, eventually, but not in a hurry.

I think once we finish cracking down on troll Youtube video creators, this won't be an issue anymore. Communities will police themselves.

I have to disagree with @Habreno saying this: "You can't just pull a run because you think it's cheated."

If the mod, whose judgement is supposed to be trusted by the community, thinks it's cheated, and the mod can elaborate why, then isn't it the mod's job to pull it?

Habreno's quote is precisely the attitude that the defenders of Todd Rogers and Billy Mitchell were taking. Unless you could absolutely PROVE that they didn't have those runs, and there's no real way to prove a negative, then you were libeling them to say they were frauds.

Mods have to exercise good judgement. If you don't trust them, find new mods.

Letting a user submit SQL would be terribad.

But creating an intermediate query interface would be viable. I implemented that at work for our API.

Yeah, I'm not particularly interested in trying to goad people into watching every minute of every run, ever. I'll tell you why.

Runners get sensitive to that. New runners don't want to be a burden. If they know that verifying their runs is a significant chore, then they're not going to submit.

That's bad for the community.

So look. The videos are there. The runs are there. Require video. Have the mods ensure that the videos posted are valid, and in the case of Twitch videos, are highlights and not raw stream segments.

Then the white knights of leaderboard purity can go back and watch them themselves, if they're really that worried about catching someone who spliced a 95th place run.

Let's be honest: these people talking about testing mods are just no-life trolls.

The reason we have videos attached to runs is that ANYONE can go back after the fact and re-verify them independently.

You really want to test mods? Go watch the videos yourself.

It'd be sad if SRC were gentler than TG on cheating.

If you submit a cheated run, you should be banned, no matter what excuse you give.

This is absolutely the right policy. There's absolutely no reason to believe a post hoc claim that it was just a prank, bro.

Just because one thing got through it doesn't mean others should.

I'd love to see you do #3 if you can swing it.

I like the idea of you creating multiple sites that use the same user accounts, and the same over all 'ecosystem,' while having specific purposes. ZSR, speedrun.com, and your coming high score site.

If you have any questions of the moderators, for example to know whether your death in a "No Up+A" run is okay or not, feel free to chime in here. I'd like submitting to this board to be a stress free experience, particularly for newer runners. We're happy to answer questions and put you at ease.

You can also ask on Discord: https://discord.gg/RtJHNu5

Well that's a pitfall of no up+a speed running. Lots of folks do it. Once. :)

But it's not really a softlock. You can up+a. And you're supposed to have the Magic Key by now.

People sometimes slip stuff by. But if someone does something egregious feel free to contact me privately and I'll make it go away.