The Goal Time Deduction rule was implemented to encourage positive, attacking play, rather than simply scoring a goal and keeping possession each game.

At the moment, it is still more efficient to score a goal, keep possession, and have as few attempts on goal as possible (owing to time lost when keeper saves or ball goes out of play).

A 7-second deduction overall should both reward the player for scoring, yet also keep things in check for players wanting to play the possession game and save time that way. If anything, this figure is too low and only becomes efficient with high scoring figures each game.

This is still an experimental rule and may change: normal RTA is still required for each run in any case. Additional categories will be added later.

Hi there! I am thinking about doing those speedruns which I found here. How can I add more categories? Would do that on my twitch streams...

hello ! simply add a post here or message me with suggestions. the ones we have right now are probably sufficient (maybe too many as it is) but if we can get new players involved, and the board doesn't become too messy, new categories might be a good idea.

Too many? I think there is so much potential... Ideas:

• speedrun the preconfigured WC (PRESET / World Cup)
• speedrun the preconfigured Champions League (PRESET / Champions Cup)

Speedrun mods like this: https://www.sensiblesoccer.de/forum/downloads/27343-euro-cup-and-world-cup-collection-1964-2018

adding a preset world cup category is a possibility, essentially a hard mode cup. anything else may be duplicating something we already have in place though. mod categories are not something I think we should do, unless the board becomes more populated.

You might attract more players if you add more categories. Why hold back?

How about these ones?

Time to score:

• a header goal
• a goal with a sliding tackle
• 10 goals

The header and tackle goal do not duplicate anything you already have. The 10 goals is just another layer of difficulty. (you can go up to 20).

ok, the board has been updated. we can add some more once we've tried them out.

Thanks for adding new categories! I will try to train for them.

please remember that any kind of mods used will invalidate runs for any of the categories (as a wider src rule, we have to keep things as fair as possible- official/vanilla game versions only, unmodified rosters).

hi, xflea ! your run was nice, but unfortunately it does appear to be modded (permanent scoreboard visible, modded teams etc). WinUAE is fine, but only with official versions of the game.

@Arran: Please verify xfleaPL's submission. He is using the official online version of SensibleSoccer.de, unmodded Amiga SWOS 96/97, only original teams. He might have used his custom team (which is 100% Brazil, only edited shirts & names, but untouched player skills!) (EDITED CUSTOM TEAMS is a feature of the original game, so that should be perfectly allowed!)

I guarantuee the version's validity, and xfleaPL's faithful submission. Thanks!

PS: Just saw his video is without timer. Ok, let him add a timer and submit again.

Sorry, I saw too late that I'm able to edit my submission, so please delete my first one. I've measured with the highlight file and it's actually 3.18s. However, xflea sent me his highlight file too and i've measured his also and it's even 3.15s!! Congrats ;)

there appear to be 2 separate issues here: xfleas run, and allowing modding (and what modding is defined as). I would prefer individual runs to be discussed privately in future.

the run in question used custom teams, against existing rules (no mixed teams). the run also cropped the bottom quarter and left side, suggesting this was made mid-game, also against the rules (run has to start from kickoff). it also did not include a timer (again mentioned in rules).

while seemingly cosmetic, the point of 'no-modding' is to let anyone looking at a run with original game versions see and copy what someone else did, without suspicion. we also have to consider certain implications of player/team editing that might be amusing to a player, but possibly offensive to others.

using highlights for submissions, allowing or disallowing, wasn't mentioned in the rules. however, use of the highlight system is not something that should be used for speedrunning. perhaps this is the etiquette for sharing goals/games on other sites, here the emphasis is on speedrunning, and eliminating as much doubt as possible.

it is very easy to use a separate install for unmodded speedrunning if required (this includes not altering any team/player names using in-game functionality), and recording live footage during a run.

He did NOT mix teams. He played with Brazil (only customized names!) vs. Italy!

Nevermind, he can score the same goal with simple Brazil vs. whatever national team at any time. He will re-submit.

Also, only because you see BRAZIL or any other team in whatever run submitted, doesn't mean it has not been modded or edited skills. In reality, there can always be suspicion, but that's not why we are here.

@Redhair it's ok, moderators retime runs anyway based on video evidence, especially with subsecond variances. as long as all runs are verified the same way it's fine.

we can measure fairly accurately within a frame (maybe two when there's doubt) when a goal is scored by visual indicators. using the highlight replay feature as a video run is not permitted.

I would ask newcomers to the board to respect we are here to encourage fair speedrunning, we have been running this game for over a year, and to respect one another.

Using the highlight system to measure the time is the only way to get precise values as you can see when the ball is in, in that moment or frame when the result is changed.

However, uploaded the other video again which is not a highlight. So, there are now 3 pending submissions: first one I've updated the time from 2.75s to 2.69s. The second one is the 2.18s as no highlight without timer and the last one as highlight and timer.

I have updated the game rules to be clearer, based on recent submissions. some extra points below:

• in speedrunning, it is generally expected all runs are recorded live, with audio/video, as they happen.

• when RTA/timers are requested, this is expected live during runs to assist verification where possible (often with early/late splits).

• it is the runners responsibility to submit accurate times, but the moderators to verify these, re-timing as necessary. please do not submit duplicates.

• 'official' versions are considered to be the commercially released products available up to and including sensi 96/97.

• WinUAE and FS-UAE are accepted, with unmodified game rosters / db files, everything visible in a run must be able to be replicated by other runners.

• moderators tend to look for obvious things that are out of place, and ensure rules are followed. this may include checking starting rosters are default in some cases.

• runners on real h/w may use disk versions, but be advised there may be a loading time penalty against other versions on longer runs.

• the usual amiga running considerations with configurations/fast mem/etc also apply: a general rule is any configuration that produces severe graphical or sound glitches, or unnatural game speed, is considered invalid.

• people new to the site are requested to peruse the general etiquette and guidelines forum here, if in doubt site staff can be consulted with regards to making forum posts, requests, issues that may arise etc.

Thanks for updating those rules. In case there is more stuff which needs to be updated (because it's not clear), I'll let you know.

Hi guys,

Is changing Teams for the World Cup valid or does preset include to play the original intended Teams (like Germany, Italy, Greece etc) for the World Cup? Thanks

please select only from the default starting teams listed for the 'World Cup' category.