I know that glitches are considered acceptable in both versions of running this game (NG+ and New Game), but I want to run the game normally without glitches. Would it be possible to make a category for that, or should I not bother?

I should clarify, since I've looked up some things in the day since I made this post - the main glitch I saw used in the runs already here is Out of Bounds, allowing one to run through walls and make their way to places one couldn't get to at that point in the map (ex: running through the wall to get to Yuan Shao early in at Hulao Gate in Lu Bu route). Unless I missed something, Out of Bounds is the only glitch used, and that's the glitch I meant not using.

I don't think Tiffanyfruit checks these forums (and the other two mods don't run this game). Don't know if you've already contacted him about this, but that's probably the best thing to do.

No OoB sound like a great run; the clips are the only reason I don't want to run this game. I'll probably want to start running this if the category is added.

Just to clarify; I'm referring to a No OoB category, as opposed to glitchless. Horse exploit is useful. And depending on your definition of glitch, infinite jump dashing could be one. Though really it's just a trick.

In any case, I'll PM him on Twitch (assuming you haven't already) with a link to this thread.

As a side-note, since this is somewhat related: DLC. I don't really see why it's disallowed. The way it's handled at Hyrule Warriors (with a column dedicated to it) seems like the way to go.

I did bring it up in my messages to Tiffanyfruit on Twitch about the no OoB category, yes.

And I'm not sure there's much DLC that is that helpful...? I mean, I agree that there's not much reason to disallow it, but I also honestly see no reason to use it logistically. Even the Puccho Red Hare horse isn't all that useful, and besides that, I'm not sure there's much DLC that would make runs any faster. But as I said, due to that, I don't see much reason to not allow it either.

Another thing I found in the rules is that there would be "no new categories for any 'warp to end credits' type of glitch". Which makes no sense, because by essence, that would FORCE a new category. If the game can be done faster with a game-breaking glitch, that would necessitate a new category for speedruns because it's a faster way of beating the game, the same way other games have different categories for super fast glitches like that (see Pokemon Red/Blue).

The fact that DLC barely gives an advantage is even more of a reason not to disallow it.

The 5-star weapons start off with about 2-4 more base damage than the vanilla 5-star. There are also various new types (which I doubt you'd use, since you will probably want to go for EX + throwing knives).

I didn't even know these forums existed, my bad.

I don't have a problem adding [Each Story] No OOB, but they would be Miscellaneous Categories. If you're fine with that, I'll do it tomorrow.

The reason we originally disallowed DLC was to make it so you didn't have to purchase stuff within the game to compete - assuming any of it was broken or allowed some major advantage over non DLC users. Also please remember it was only myself (and my brother) running this game for a year before anyone else came along, so of course our defined ruleset wasn't perfect, but it worked well for us.

"Another thing I found in the rules is that there would be "no new categories for any 'warp to end credits' type of glitch". Which makes no sense, because by essence, that would FORCE a new category." In that post you later address Pokemon Red/Blue, but if you take a look at their speedrun.com page, they don't have it listed as a category. There's no reason to add it.

Actually, it's not a main category, but they have an Any% No Save Corruption. Based on the name it's probably not quite the fastest run out there, but it's about a 17-18 minute run that uses a glitch to basically warp to the Hall of Fame in comparison to the over 1 hour usual runs.

I thought you meant the 0:00 IGT run, I knew about NSC.

In the case of NSC, we'd just use that glitch for Any% instead of making a new category. I was more worried about 0:00 Save Corruption "run".

Anyhow, I'll add No OOB Misc Categories.

EDIT: I just added all the No OOB Misc Categories.

Thank you!

Reviving this to ask that the rules clarify that besides OoB, horse clips too are banned, rather than solely out of bounds aspect, as not all clips are OoB.

Certain gates can be clipped through 'consistently' (any gate is clippable if RNG wills it), the biggest example being the gate to Cao Cao's area in Showdown at Xiapi in Lu Bu's historical route. This skips the entire map.

...unless they're allowed? pls no

I would agree - it's a similar 'concept' of glitch in that it allows for going through parts of the map that you aren't supposed to, and no OoB was meant to be a category where that type of glitch is not used.