Bismuth said in one of his videos that there is a probability, a very small one, but there is a probability that 454 could happen by a human.

It feels like there would have to be another timesave found to cut off the 746 ms of the current WR. It kinda feels like the current strats have exhausted possible timesaves.

I know Taven pulled an 8-1 fr in an rta to save a run that had fallen 1 fr behind. I also understand that 8-2 is getting closer for human consistency? Correct me if im wrong. That would be around 0.7. With a better 8-4 i think it could happen. It would probably require more patience then has ever been required from any runner in any game as there would be many lost runs before 8-4

@voidedifbroken "4-2 lightning 4-2 (Never done by a human and likely never will be)" Dont underestimate the power of a Good gamer dude :) I dont know when, but probably some day the lightning would be go to be do it by a human in a Good SpeedRun :D :V , simply hope :).

I think now is posible to be do it by a human with the actual posible best strats, but that can need YEARS AND YEARS of practice, so hard, but is definitly POSIBLE

I mean, the most up-to-date TAS I can find does it in 4:54.032, which is basically the WR strats done perfectly for the entire run, plus probs a few TAS-only timesaves. Even if you take out the TAS-only stuff, that's still likely a 4:54.x. I reckon people need to start trying these "TAS-only" tricks and try and make them a viable timesave for an RTA run. But like @voidedifbroken and @Loven2run are saying, it does seem like there are still a few timesaves under the current strats - only time will tell if they're enough for a sub-4:54.

@junØ117 3:30 I love thats Wall jumps lmao

The TAS is basically ALL THE TIME with the JUMPS LOOKING TO THE LEFT. there is much timesave in that.

Would be so nice to look a human beating a WR of any IL using that trick, to any men/women learn to use that trick, but I think is so hard. Im not so sure, but is nice.

4:54 is possible. We have all the timesaves we need in order to get there, and they’ve all even been performed RTA individually. It may not be too realistic at this point in time, but that’s only because none of the top runners have reached the skill level needed to attain such a time. Given how monumental the 4:54 will be, it’s likely that someone is going to put in the hours to get there, whether it’s one of the current WR contenders or someone new. There have been many points throughout this game’s history where certain times seemed unreachable, yet they always managed to eventually be achieved. The 4:54 is no different. And, of course, there’s always the possibility of new tech being discovered that would make the task a bit easier. It may seem impossible now, but one day, I am certain we will see a 4:54 sitting at the top of the leaderboard. To quote Bismuth, “The limits are never where we think they are.”

4:54 right now isn't possible. Correct me if I'm wrong but last I checked the Human Theory was 4:55.08. Regardless if we could to 4:54 it would be nearly impossible because of the 4-2, 8-1, and the 8-4 needed to pull it off.

@NathanAlmighty Tavenwebb2002 (current WR holder) has a SoB of 4:54.747. It’s likely that more runners will take their SoB down to a 4:54 as well in the near future.

454 is possible with the strats we currently have, I don't know why you guys think that it's IMPOSSIBLE, because it very much is. But I don't think it will happen until a new timesave is found or easier strategies for lightning 4-2 and 8-2 are found. With the strats we have right now, I think the record will go down to 4:55.2xx, because pl8-1 isn't as hard as people think it is. (It's still hard but it's much easier than you think)

why are people still talking about this lmao lemme just sum it up in one post real quick

454 is possible its not going to happen for a long time

@eddiecatgaming yeah, thats true

@Novawolf he really hit the nail right on the head. Tavens sum of best is 253 milliseconds below 4:55 . In my humble opinion 2 more frame rules will be saved before it becomes a battle of 8-4 frames (avoiding the unbeatable bowser frame somehow) i imagine an expert TASer will find setups for humans to be more consistent. If im wrong then only one more frame rule will be saved before 8-4 grinding becomes most significant but honestly I believe there will be two more frame rule saves that'll someday be consistent for humans. It'll be up to humans whether they wish to endure the pain of pushing the reset button

Grinding for 454 is pretty simple, stick to the principles of improvement that we always used when going for literally any other fast time Grinding for 454 will be hard, it might require not just more dedication than we've ever had to put down, but it may test some of our beliefs and inefficiencies 454 is hard 454 is hard 454 is possible just grind

4:53.683!

Maybe we shouldn’t talk about 4:54 until we get a low 4:55. Getting 8-2 framerule, 8-1 framerule, and a good 8-4 in one run will be very hard. (Understatement, I know.) We need to take the record down a framerule or two before we can talk about 4:54.

What if 454 is the whole motivation for grinding past WR? The motivation to not just simply get a better 8-4 than the WR so you can have it, but to also add 8-1 framerule and 8-2 framerule because you want to be that one person who is the very first person in history to claim the last ever possible second milestone in smb1 any%? There's nothing wrong with talking about 4:54. We could even talk about 4:53 if we wanted.

I don't think the next WR would be 4:54, since there's such a big time gap between the current WR and 4:54. There is nothing wrong with talking about 4:54 since we know how to get it, but since when did 4:53 need to be brought up? What's the point of bringing it up if we don't know how to get 4:53? This is just my personal opinion.