Regarding Flandre Bug(?)・フランドールバグ(?)について
3 years ago
Japan

sas_rtaさんがこの動画を投稿しました。フランドールでリトライを10回使用することで、4つのステージをスキップできます。 これを許可すべきかどうかについての考えを共有してください。

sas_rta submitted this video. By using retry 10 times with Flandre, it is possible to skip four stages. Please share your thoughts on whether this should be allowed.

Malaysia

Personally, no, this shouldn't be allowed unless there is a special category for that

Japan

上記の動画を投稿した者です。

この現象に関しては、ゲーム開始直後にリトライを連打した場合のみならず、最初のステージが始まった直後にリトライを10回押した後で、そのステージの戦闘に勝利した場合においても、それ以外のステージを全てスキップし、ラスボス戦の扉が出現することを確認しています。

このゲームにはまだバグが多いことを考えると、当然ながら開発側の意図した挙動でない可能性は高いと感じます。しかし、左ルートのラスボス戦前の隠岐奈のセリフを鑑みるに、「敗戦数が規定以上に達したら不適格=一番グレードの低いエンディング」という設定になっている可能性も否定しきれない面があります。このあたりは今後のアップデートによる修正があるか否かとなるでしょうか…

いずれにせよ、ステージをスキップせずにプレーするケースと、このように1ステージのみで計測するケースを同じ土俵に置くのは適切な競争とは言えないですし、自分としてもスキップありのカテゴリーを作っていただくか、このままリジェクトしていただく形としていただければと思います。

Not only if you select a retry immediately after the start of the game, but also if you select 10 retries immediately after the start of the first stage and then win the battle in that stage, skip all other stages. We have confirmed that the door to the last boss battle will appear.

Given that this game is still buggy, it's highly likely that it wasn't what the developers intended. However, considering the lines of Okina before the battle with Last Boss on the left route, there is a possibility that it is set as "ineligible if the number of defeats exceeds the regulation = the lowest grade ending". I have. Will this be fixed in a future update ...

In any case, it is not an appropriate competition to put the case of playing without skipping the stage and the case of measuring with only one stage on the same ground, and I also have a category with skips. I would like you to make it or reject it as it is.

Modificato da l'autore 3 years ago
sakasaka123 piace questo
Seoul, South Korea

I don't think it's a glitch or a bug. You don't get to see the middle/right route ending if you lose too many fights and retry too many times, which is exactly 10 times. It's always 10, not some other random numbers. So my guess is that it was intended.

We always have to refer to the rule, and I don't see that run breaking any: He finished the game with Flandre. The run starts from stage one(we can clearly see "第一話")

You could change the rule, but since he already submitted the run, I say you shouldn't. In my perspective, that'd be unfair. Consider creating another category with "no major skip" or something like that instead.

But it's always up to the moderator. I understand how hard is it to manage the leaderboard, so I wouldn't complain about decisions you make.

Japan

とりあえず、合意は別のカテゴリーを作るそうみたいです。フランドールのany%サブカテゴリーを作りました。他のすべてのカテゴリーは下記のルールを追加しました 「All stages must be completed.」 もし新しいスキップが見つかりました、投稿する前に議論することができます。

For now, it seems the consensus is to create a separate category. A Flandre any% sub-category has been created. All other categories have had the following rule added: "All stages must be completed." If a new skip is discovered, it can be discussed before submission.

@SushiHeaven: I do agree that rejecting submissions that followed the existing rules is not ideal. However, in this case, SAS_rta said in advance that it would be fine to reject the submission. SAS_rta also stated that they do not want it to be allowed in the current category. So it is not a problem this time.

SAS_rta piace questo