I have recently discovered that, through efficient dodging and quick action, one does not actually need to use the Pistol to defeat Final Nemesis. I am hereby calling for a refinement of the rules on Knife% since we can prove that not using anything but a knife for 100% of the run is a viable possibility.
Thoughts?
When the category rules were being made, this is not what most people who were actually running Knife Only/Low% wanted. The base knife is complete and utter shit, and Final Nemmy without the pistol is also utter shit.
The well known meaning behind LOW%/knife only was thrown out the window for an easier time running. There was no public discussion just a private discussion. Didnt really need a discussion at all. LOW%/knife only rules should be straight forward. But in the end we have a category that isnt LOW% or knife only but holds the name of both.
I honestly think the low% part of this just causes too much confusion, to even come close to the definition you have to regard the knife as a key item, which while it technically is since it’s impossible to progress past Nemmy 1 for example without it, it is not an actual key item in game such as the bolt cutters which without would literally halt all runs regardless of what weapon you use. We can then see how knife only with handgun on final Nemmy becomes low% because you have used the minimal amount of “key items” to get to that point
To be perfectly honest though it’s just a name and use of the handgun is recommended not required, I doubt any mod is going to invalidate your run for doing final Nemmy knife only, just don’t expect to get anywhere near a top time because you choose to do something others didn’t.
Nemmy 4 without using any weapons it takes 7-8 minutes on Standard, Hardcore takes ~12 minutes, Nightmare takes AT LEAST 20 minutes, and I don't even want to talk about Inferno. Not sure if everyone wants to fight Nemmy 4 for that long, especially at higher difficulties where Nemmy is trying to pancake you forever.
The problem isnt the rules. The problem is the title. Using the handgun makes it not knife only and using the hot dogger and handgun make it not low% was my point from the start. The title needs adjustment in my opinion not the rules. And thats only my opinion that I admit Ive beaten into the ground.
If any choose to run a legit knifeonly/low% run shouldnt be penalized for doing so when the title is low%/knife only. Thats a bit ridiculous in it self along with shrugging it off as a "too bad follow the this boards definition not the well known definition."
Key items must refer to weapons in this case though not actual story items.
There was a time where low% was considered by some as no damage(well no healing items). No weapons used and if used the weakest one. In this games case the knife.
Ofcourse thats just non sense.
Alright then what should be the title? If not knife only or low%, what should it be? You keep saying it can't be either of them, yet you haven't thrown out a title you think it should be.
Knife I suggest you actually run this game before you can tell people how they can or can't.
Even then you're still not a moderator.
No matter how you put it, It's low% (you use a pistol) we treat the Hot Dogger like the normal knife. YOU ARE USING A KNIFE. All of this was agreed upon after talking with new and old runners coming back for some knife action. You sit there to complain over a stupid title, We ain't here to confuse people on what the category is so you can either run it or don't run it. Complaining about the title is legit sad and there's no reason for this to even go on any longer.
