Randomly thought about this the other day. I agree mimics and empties should be opened. And I would say make it 2 categories, glitchless and anything goes. Though, with a glitched category it would just be going through the motions with a broken team.

We can probably delete this one now right?

https://discord.gg/nUxYqG3

We recently created a discord for the anyone that is interested in talking about the game, casually or speedrun or things feel free to join!

The all chest category is kind of meme-ish, but I want to clarify the rules since it doesn't specify. What chests are needed. Do empty chests count, mimic chests, only ones with items?

I was interested in running it, just to say I did, but I realized it doesn't really specify which of the above chests count.

I propose we make it all chest, like the category is called. So everything must be opened.

Item chest Empty chests Mimics

Any and all feedback would be great! Thanks!

Hughes, let's talk about getting the ds version on here some more. Categories, rules, what's allowed ECT. Let's get this added for you guys who want to explore or continue to explore this option.

This is indeed a true statement. I asked czardia what steps were needed to be added. With the game having the resurgence it has had recently I figured someone who runs the game pretty regularly should be one of the mods to help.

Thanks for the consideration.

Just the original game and speedrun 4 humans or 4 mutants is much much slower.

I'll be on around 10pm eastern time zone.

I'll be doing either a 4 mutant or 4 human run Friday. And yeah I'll definitely stream it blind. If you are okay with that.

Depending how slow or fast I do my challenge run Friday I'll definitely try this out! I'm excited to see what you did!

Nice! I look forward to this hack. If you want / need someone to test it let me know. I'll see what I can do.

So is it just a harder version of the original game?

What are you switching around in the game if you don't mind me asking.

Yup I believe it is. If you want me to test it let me know! I have played this game enough to enough it from a different standpoint! Lol. @breaktube

I believe I found a rom hack of this game at on point. It was to make it harder. I'll see if I can find it and comment again.

I do not know anything about rng manipulation. I know you can start the game it should be the same at start every time. We do fights at the start to get rid of manipulation. For routes, it depends how you want to approach the game. For safer and more consistent runs, double human F, monster, robot seems to the the way to go. I am available any time. Feel free to ask and I will help with whatever I can, the game is pretty simple in the grand scheme of things.

Do we know if / when the change will be taking place yet?

I really like this proposal and have voiced my concern in the past about having mulitple points for people stopping their splits for the final time.

I think this would clean up the leaderboards a ton and also make the categories more competitive. Any % glitchless has a decent amount of runners, but since it split between 4 different systems it doesn't appear that way.

I think this change is overall a positive in the community and I think a great plus for this game!

Thank you for the hard work in making this and presenting it!

I personally think it should change above and hope others agree

But why? Why not just make it uniform between all platforms? I get they run at different rates and everything, but it doesn't really makes sense to have different end times.

I think as a community we should discuss the positives and negatives and pick one. There is no reason to not have one that everyone agrees on that we use for everything.

So when are we supposed to end our runs? Rules say arsenal hit. But I have seen players stop after the credits as well as when they talk to Dad. I think to make this a uniform game we should make the rules the same for all categories and decide as a community what is best.

I have been following the rules since I never had an idea there was a difference. Let me know what is best practice and I will adjust my approach and my splits, thanks!

I do not have notes, but it also depends what characters you are using for what you need to buy and how much of everything. Feel free to reply on here, or to send me a message on twitter for a likely faster response, same name. Best of luck!