Hello all, tpc here! Still chugging away at All Time Trials for An Actual Good Time(TM), but in the meantime, I want to suggest a leaderboard redesign, because ours is pretty clumsy and cluttered.
First, since we have a proper full-game category now (I doubt we'll get any more, although I considering submitting All Missions to Really Really Long-a-thon), we should move all Shorts and score-based IL time attacks to IL leaderboards. I know that the IL scene is kind of all this game has, but ILs are ILs, and full game is full game, and the leaderboard should reflect that. (I swear it's not a part of my cunning master plan to get everyone to run single segment so that I have people to race)
As an example, SM64 and SMS's organization of their individual star/shine boards is what I'd imagine something like ours to looks like. This would address some problems:
- It wouldn't matter if levels had an asymmetric number of shorts, because you can define the amount per level
- We could easily add each level's time attack to each IL and not clutter the front page even more
- It looks pretty sweet, and accurately separates ILs and full game runs
The only problem with this that I could see is that the View All tab would only show you the number one time for each Short 1, 2 Mil score attack, and Time Trial (if we added it). I don't think there's any way around that (I think the SM64 mods would have found it already if there was), but it's not a big deal.
Here's a proof-of-concept that I spent exactly 11 minutes and 23 seconds on in photoshop, based on SM64's IL leaderboards https://imgur.com/6VfQCIp
I have to admit that I haven't been on this site for a while but I got a lot of notifications on some new runs so I decided to check it out. I have to say that it was very hard to actually find these new runs because of the way the leaderboards look like right now. Although I'm not 100% sure that what is proposed now is what it should look like, it is 100% an improvement on the current leaderboards. Now you cannot properly look at the times per map, you first have to pick the short and then the map but that makes little sense, since your not thinking 'hmm.. I wanna run short 2 for every map' instead you like a map and start running its shorts. With this in mind I think the proposed leaderboard is definitely an improvement.
(Off topic although leaderboard related, in Highway short II the time of DragonC007 has accidentally been submitted 1 second faster which should probably be fixed :) )
Oh hey, this thread must've been made when notifications broke. It is relatively annoying clicking on the short and the way the levels are set up at the moment. With the recent addition of the rest of the shorts that were brought to my attention that involved the Half level made the clutter even worse for the Short tabs. The biggest problem with this though is there's no option at all when editing a run to swap it to an IL. I can turn it into ILs for sure but this will mean I need to reject every run that's currently on the boards and copy them over to the IL boards (so people don't end up with duplicate ghost runs on their profile page). I'm gonna try to test out some things to make swapping easier, so far if I try to set the category itself to an IL that already has a run in it it'll give me an error.
Also, thoughts on changing the color of the panels? I don't know about you guys but it's incredibly hard for me to tell what tab I'm clicked on with this color
edit: actually it's not gonna matter once the boards are changed since it'll be either 1 or 2 tabs lol
Actually agree on that. With this color tab selection is a bit difficult to properly see but if there aren't many tabs then maybe it's not a problem. Idk what other colors would look like
With all honesty, i'm fine with the shorts being moved to an IL board.
By the way, the panels in my opinion are ok (ish), maybe a dark blue theme would be better.
Would it be better to change the background too? Maybe something like one of the Pac-Man courses and default settings (like Spiral or Championship I)?
Im late to the party
Maybe have each level as a section and the Scores and shorts as a tab inbetween?
If you guys have any specific images you can post them here for the background, the color of the panels might not be too bad with a darker background anyways. I actually just started on converting everything over to ILs but if need be I can revert it, what exactly does everyone want? Levels sent to ILs or the levels as their own category rather than the shorts as their own category?
Something like this above? It doesn't HAVE to be exactly this, as I just noticed the logo in the lower right portion.
I just think that if the levels are the categories it's easier to navigate and then have the 2mil/3mil/shorts etc as a tab inbetween. I'm cool with whatever you choose to do, I'll get used to it either way!
So far it seems we have a majority vote on the levels being sent to ILs, it's just super sucky that the runs won't show like they do for full game if you go to view all of the IL board
Sorry, here's another copy. The last one had a logo in the lower right corner and I noticed it just as you updated the background.
what do you guys think of this image? Trying to work with the current one to make it so the text isn't too dark while not being a complete eye sore with all the brightness happening in the background
I'm not sure which would go better, the light blue or the gold color, what are your guys' thoughts? Made the text color gold for viewing and kept the light blue for everything else as comparison
Wow, not gonna lie, it looks even better than I expected. It's nice not to be blinded by the old background anymore!
I'm not sure if you're finished yet but I noticed on the IL there's no runs from shorts 1-7 cause they're on the main leaderboard?
Love the background btw! The gold writing is very nice too!
