"New ruleset means a video submitted must also include from the last point of reset. You can still use any of the Pass Key's to get to any fight you want. This is to prevent the possible use of save states."

It's a good policy. I've always wondered how legit some of the NES Classic records were. I'm 35 so I don't even bother with save states in games like Zelda 2, but my buddy who is 25 uses them like they're second nature and always asks me why I don't. I tell him that it doesn't even occur to me because for over 20 years I never used it. I'll use them for games I never played back in the day and just want to get to the ending, but for something I legit owned and beat 30 years ago, I don't need no damn save state, lol.

"Freebachelor, uploading videos unlisted would hardly your average watch times or anything like that. Your audience won't see them- it'd only be for submissions to the leaderboard."

It would affect the views of a video. I think half of my views for my videos posted here are from here, lol.

Either way it's fine with me. I'm in sales for a living so I think my natural instinct is to always try to negotiate, lol. Question: It occurred to me that for IL records like Don Flamenco 1 people can use the turbo stick for the NES to get a fast time. Has this ever been addressed?

"it makes sense to uphold that standard today, since starting a fight from a savestate that starts at him is very much not the same as having to go through the reset process."

Very true. I tried this as an experiment on my NES Classic and the only guy that ever had a change in patterns was Mr. Dream, but it's not that big of a deal since you can passkey your way to him anyway although I admit it's as tedious now as it was 30 years ago when I first got the damn game, lol.

"For Macho Man, all you have to do is put the in passcode to get to him. However, there are still some fights that would take a bit of time to get to. What you can do is upload the attempt since reset unlisted to YouTube, then submit that to the leaderboards, while uploading a public version of just the fight in question to your YouTube channel."

True about Macho Man, but I think you get my point as I was just using him as an example. I suppose Mr. Sandman would've been the best case to bring up.

I'll have to think about the above suggestion. Uploading 2 videos increases the overall production time in terms of uploading time. Then, there's the idea of having 2 videos possibly splitting the amount of views and watch times although I'm not sure how important this is in the long run since 1) my main content is KO videos, 2) average watch times are less than 2 minutes, and 3) it's not that hard to get to the part of the video you want on Youtube.

Not trying to be adversarial here, I'm just thinking of potential issues that I see for myself. I'm not sure what others may think. I'll have to do some more research into unlisted videos to see if this is even a big issue. If anything it could be a true test of where traffic is coming from for certain videos I suppose.

For the integrity of the board I get why these rules are being implemented. However, the viewers on my channel don't want to sit through a bunch of fights to get to the IL fight of a certain character. The average watch time on my videos is 1:31. Even on the longer videos it barely gets up to 3:00.

Only the most hardcore fans are going to watch me play through the first 5 or 6 fighters to see the record against Super Macho Man(just an example). Can they go to the end of the video on Youtube? Sure, but will they? Probably not.

Is it possible to get a workaround to this? The best I can think of is to get some sort of pre-approval meeting the above said conditions then having a final cut that includes only the level being attempted while still being able to post here.

I don't remember why, but I edited a video where the fight begins after the pre-fight intro screen. It's against Mr. Sandman. I'd like to submit for a level best, but not sure if it's acceptable. Does the recording have to begin from the pre-fight intro screen or is it okay to start from the bell (not the official start, but when Mr. Sandman begins to demonstrate the Dreamland Express)?

I can do again, but since I have the recording from 2 months ago, would rather not, lol.

As someone that's just too damn old school, it's hard for me to learn new tricks. I just barely got into the habit of using save states to avoid wasting time practicing and I still have to remind myself to do it.

I'm one of those arcade guys that for some crazy reason will start a game over rather than continue because I don't feel I've truly beaten the game unless it's on 1 quarter. As far as I'm concerned my PB were all when I was 10-18 years old, so no matter what I record today it won't even come close, but at least I can prove that I can come close, lol.

You get a new PB then realize you aren't recording so it doesn't count! Would've beaten my current time on the leaderboard for Soda Popinski.

New Rule: ABR-Always, Be, Recording!

Thanks! Yeah, I don't use IL save states(my buddy hates when I don't use them on Zelda 2, lol). A friend of mine said I should start uploading vids of me playing some of the old school games then I discovered that people are actually keeping track of times. I figured I'd get credit for some of my work, lol. I seriously doubt I'd ever get to the point of the WR holders, but to at least make the leaderboard is pretty cool.

So how does the video submission work? I looked at a current submission from an NES Classic and it starts exactly at the same time as the video I posted above. How have the admins verified that this wasn't done with a save state as opposed to starting from Don Flamenco with a password?

Wait, there isn't anything preventing from submitting just the fight in question? Am I misinterpreting the rule? That's literally why I'm asking for clarification, lol. I never considered speed running until I saw that I could probably get myself on some of the leaderboards. Are you saying I can submit this video for consideration?

That explanation makes sense, but my question regarding the same states was regarding continuing from a certain spot. As an example, it's somewhat a pain in the ass to start the game over, input a passcode, fight 2 guys, then fight Great Tiger if you're going for the record against Great Tiger, right? I can understand the justification for not allowing an actual in-fight save state, but to not be allowed to reset and start the fight over at the intro screen before you even get to the ring doesn't make sense to me.

However, if it's simply because it wasn't part of the original game, then that's another argument. I still don't think it matters much when going for single fight records, but I do understand being old school myself wanting to keep the integrity of the original game(then again I'd argue about using frame counting which I don't do, but again separate issue, lol).

Question: If you are going for a record for a certain fighter, how does one submit it? Do I need to record starting at the password input screen in order for it to be accepted for say Great Tiger or Soda Popinski?

Accidentally used 777 373 3454 and the game gave me a 14-0 record w/7 KOs at the World Circuit. Is there a reason for this?

Let me see if I understand this correctly, you save before fighting someone, then start the fight. You're telling me that even if you save before the fight is started (meaning from the fight profile screen), there's a chance of the patterns being totally different every time. Is my understanding correct?

Also, for Don Flamenco 1, would I have to submit a video that shows me entering the password before the fight for the video to count?

I'm not a fan of emulators in general, but a friend of mine bought me an NES Classic and said I should upload videos. I started doing so only to discover the speed run world.

So my question is, what is the justification for the rule banning save states for IL times? For example, does it really affect how Great Tiger or 2nd Don Flamenco fights? Or is it due to possible manipulation? I think everyone here is more tech savvy than myself, so I was curious.

Also, does the rule mean that for example, if I wanted to submit a video for Great Tiger, I would have to submit a video that takes me from Don Flamenco all the way to Great Tiger even though the submission is for Great Tiger only?

Thanks in advance!