So. Here we go.
For those who are unaware, we'll start with what Weston Save Warp is. This trick allows you to save a bit of time from saving after the Weston boo and then quit the game, load up the save file and wind up in the foyer. This is faster than walking back up by 11 seconds optimally (proof here highlight shows timing process)
Currently, the trick is banned from all runs of Luigi's Mansion (except low% to my knowledge) and I'm not really sure why. It's not exactly breaking or corrupting the game. All this trick really is doing is using a function built into the game to save some time. Is it hard? Yeah. The 150 health boo needs to be done in one cycle in order for it to save time. But what's the worst that can happen, you miss the trick and lose 11 seconds?
That being said, post your opinions here and hopefully we can come up with a consensus since no one is trying to talk about it. I believe that Weston Save Warp should be allowed for all categories, and I'd love to hear what everyone else things about it as well.
Thanks, Adam (GC)
EDIT: Just to clarify, the proposal is to lift the ban on saving and quitting thus allowing Weston Save Warp.
EDIT 2: We're going to give this until Friday night until 11:59 eastern and from there we'll see what the majority is. If there's a clear one side then we'll lift the ban. I believe that's fair.
It's ridiculous that this trick is still banned after so many years, and it's about time people talked about it
So far there seems to be absolutely zero legitimate reason for save warp to stay banned and the fact it saves time and is STILL banned is a bit silly tbh. Some people might say it doesn't save enough time and that people shouldn't care, but let's be real here. At this point like 3-5 (around that range?) seconds is the largest amount of time save we're getting. We're not really in a spot to be picky about how much time a thing saves sooooo. If people don't want to do save warp then simply don't do it. The issue here isn't to make everyone do save warp it's to give everyone the /option/ to have optimized runs and do save warp. And I, for one, fully agree in unbanning it.
As a slight outsider who enjoys watching speedruns of any kind, it irritates me when, arbitrarily, strats are banned. Saving any amount of time is what speedrunning is all about, it's the lifeblood of the competition. I did something your pb didn't do, now you have to do it too, in order to keep up with me.
If you ban things, then my motivation to find new strats is diminished, because there's a precedent of things being disallowed on the basis that they weren't around before, so why waste my time?
As far as I'm concerned, this isn't Any%, this is Any% No Save Warp.
I understand No Save and Quit strats for older consoles where you could potentially ruin your cartridge, but with a game that has a separate memory card, there should be no reason for it.
Skozzy made a timing difference. It's 11 seconds saved. Link is in original post to not spam the thread.
I personally thing the save warp should stay banned. This was decided years ago and there's no need to change it now. Yes it's a small timesave, and it would've guaranteed me a 58 in Any%, but that doesn't matter. It's kind of like dying in a run. If you die your run is no good because you're exiting and going back in, when this is the same instance as the save warp. There's no need to change it.
What? Just because something was decided years ago has no bearing on the current situation and undeniable facts. USB Loader was decided to be banned after having been allowed for years. This may be an advocation to allow something rather than ban it, but my point is that things change with time as more facts come out. Its not dying; dying loses time. This saves time because its a strategy, not a mishap such as dying.
I'm obviously for the save warp (I mean, my PB even uses it, and yeah, the timesave is about 10 seconds, varying slightly based on menuing speed and time to grab fire again), everything's pretty much been covered so I don't need to go into why. I mean, it would be obvious enough anyway.
And USB Loader was only banned because that was like 30 seconds, there was no allowing it. It had to go
No need to argue. Grabbing people's opinions. I'm assuming we'll wind up going with majority on this unless someone comes up with a valid reason to it being banned in the first place. But let's see how things play out.
Not denying that USB Loader was a fair decision or anything, I'm just saying that it's the same principle of things changing.
I don't think there is any explanation why it's banned.
Well i say we lift the ban of the whole S+Q, not just only wet-son. I mean there's no reason to keep banned the S+Q and it can save the time. And it's just silly to unban the only specific strat, i'm sure there will be more places that can be used S+Q, we can find out sooner or later.
Save warp should be allowed, its a speedrun, i see no real reason why its banned, and if you don't want to use it still, noone is gonna force you to do so. Thats just my opinion though
I think it should definitely be allowed because it's non-game breaking legitimate-disc free time save. It's like someone who you trust handing you $5 out of nowhere. Who wouldn't take it? Also it makes no sense that s&q is banned ONLY as a use of save warp, like if you die and go back in it's perfectly fine (source: my first run had 3 deaths on bowser)
I'm not sure if my opinion matters since I seldom do a run and mostly watch, but I didn't know that this was banned and I've been around for over 3 years now. The way I see it this seems ok to allow since it doesn't break the game like the out of bounds glitch did or allow unfair load times like the USB Loader. It uses systems put in by nintendo and doesn't harm the game data at all. However, if it were found that this is just as useful in more situations (Doing a save and quit multiple times in a run) then I would suggest having a no save and quit category.
I say it should be allowed. It's a minor strat that can save a little time. And by allowing a S+Q we may find more strats that can make a run so more optimal.
