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7 years ago
Île-de-France, France

Omg it took me so much time to do that : https://ibb.co/pWr0NY0

Other picture : https://ibb.co/m82Hp1L

I'll try to find a way to do it easier because I've heard it could be a game changer :)

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Antarctica

Wow, if this actually works the way I was thinking then it will save incredibly much time. Now it's just the desert left for another 2 hour time save. If you let me know the setup I can try it out and see if I can get past the guards blocking the path. :D

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Île-de-France, France

I know that it looks very easy on the video but in fact it is very hard!!

good luck...

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Antarctica

That video is the holy grail, how the hell does the game allow you to just get through eventually when brute forcing that spot. That's crazy! It looks like you don't give up until the game says, AH WELL You don't seem to stop, just go at it!

Now this is the biggest skip possible in the game. So happy if this works without any side effects. :) Have to try this out. Even if it takes 5 minutes to get this in a real run it's going to be worth it. The encounters will be annoying but it should save more than enough time to make up for it.

EDIT: I can't even get to the right side of the tree. I can't pass the stone or the tree at all to even get into the starting position. I just tried it on emulator for 360.

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Île-de-France, France

Ok, I have some bad news, the skip video was a prank and it was funny in my head but now I regret it :(

I've been playing with 4 bytes endian values and found a way to push atsuma by some meters or even centimeters if I wanted it and binded some hotkeys to negative and negative values (push and pull) and faked a out of bound skip (I just pressed the hotkey at some point)

I'm terribly sorry :(

I discovered this by "accident" when I teleported Atsuma below anor london stairs (meaning that I can OOB all maps)

But I played a run where I would simulate what would happen if the skip was done for the science and I will share the results, I hope that will help to get pardoned!

First I clipped trough yokohama cafeteria when kou released the queen of ice to see if I could fight Kou (with low level atsuma, toya, makoto and taigalion it would have been impossible but I wanted to see if it was reachable)

Unfortunately the stairs are not solid : https://ibb.co/qrxFhjd

Then I wanted to know what would happen if I clipped through london to see if I could fight the emperor of fire or go to the resistance : https://ibb.co/BKQ4N3H

Probably impossible (maybe possible if I clipped even more but it is a time consuming process because I have to find a well hidden value so I gave up for this)

Then, the infamous ragau clip (I alsoclipped through the desert for science) : https://ibb.co/ggkFNBt

First weird thing, the whole yuki quest was gone (didn't see her again for the whole playthrough) the sphinx too of course, I could go to the desert as soon as I reached junk city

Also, there was a teleporter in the desert to go back to londinus plains but at londinus plains there was no teleporter back (fortunately I saved)

So basically I reached the sage tower with a completly underleveled party (only seraphim was there) and the shops inventory were not updated, so the only option to get strong golems were to find them in chests (or fight very strong lost golems with a weak party)

I was so far into the cheating anyway that I puted an incredibly hight level "mystery man" in the party

but then gargoyles fight, there is the fight button "x" but pressing it would do nothing So, I abandonend about the 3 ether's collecting thing and clipped through the sage's door But then, Odin fight was not possible either : https://ibb.co/7XvBKMf

So at this point I gave up Even if the ragau skip were possible it breaks so many things after and since the shops are not updated it requires finding golem cores in chests

Of course I could have clipped through Odin door but I feel like the sage quest would be as broken as Yuki's !

Antarctica

That's disappointing. If you can show me a run where you start where Ooka destroys the bridge and use the cheats I don't care with any party (you can cheat for 9999 hp, 9999 SP and 9999 DIRECT and so on to blaze through the game). I want to see what happens if you play through after Junk City like normal. You don't have to perform the skip to Sage's Tower. I'm sure at some point the Sage's Tower does allow you to continue. It's most probable that you can skip the guards without cheats. I'm sure one angle somewhere will allow you to airwalk since there are so many spots it works on in other screens (I didn't show all because they didn't allow any benefits).

So please I hope you can show legit start from Ooka destroying the bridge and continue until the end if possible. I think you CAN beat the game if you don't cheat more than just allowing the airwalk once. I just want to know that if I find a setup that it won't be in vain. If you don't want to do it, then please send a save file with a save when bypassing the guards by doing the airwalk. I can work out the rest if necessary.

For the second skip in the desert, I think it's possible but because you did a double skip it's very broken (I guess you did this on the same attempt as with the first skip). So if you progress the story a bit to let's say Iwato Village and then back-track to the desert once you progressed the story a bit (a flag triggers something that allows you to progress Sage's) If not then maybe the trigger is once you destroy the junk outside the entrance to Sage's Tower.

I don't care if you cheated or not as long as I get to know if that one air-walk can still complete the game. I take it you can if you only do it once. You are too weak to continue the run? That won't be a problem for me, I can assure you I can kill any boss with low level party members. Also I can boost up stats as much as needed in Casino if it's a problem.

I'm happy if any of the skips work. If you have a legit Junk City save then try the Sage's tower with that if possible. IF you did then yeah there is a hidden trigger somewhere in the story (maybe the junk outside).

Île-de-France, France

Sure, I just did the whole game up to this point again without any cheats (except the position vaue) and then saved past the guards (I even did the casino legit to be as clean as possible!) (and triggered Ooka bridge explosion scene)

https://www.mediafire.com/file/izp7c8fzwr9t76h/BLES00049GAME000.rar/file

Be careful, if you speak to the guards, they will teleport you back in the intended way, you will have to reload!

this save was made with the bles00049 version of the game (europe), I'm not sure it will work with other versions of the game (but you can still try it!)

put the file inside : RPCS3/dev_hdd0/home/00000001/savedata/<<HERE>>

and then extract with winrar or similar software (be sure to make a backup of your save files somewhere else if you want to keep them)

if you need to do the OOB cheat, I can tell you how to do it in private message!

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Antarctica

Alright it works kind of but I can't load it because it doesn't know where to put Atsuma. You would have to go to the next screen or something.

VM: Access violation reading location 0x454 (unmapped memory)

I don't know if it's the version difference, but in worst case it won't work at all even if you transfer to next screen. It just freezes on load for me.

Edited by the author 2 years ago
Île-de-France, France

I think it is the version difference because for me I can load it without any problem!

I made an other save where I went to the next map if you want :

https://www.mediafire.com/file/e86yu95lps1mly0/BLES00049GAME000%25282%2529.rar/file

I'll explain how to do the OOB cheat so you do not have to make the save file work if you want!

First you need cheat engine (it is kind of complicated to understand how to use it if you have not used before, I recommend the version 7.4 (your computer antivirus could flag it as a virus but it is not) and doing the tutorial inside the program before starting using it

Once you understand it, Open the program and click on "settings" under the logo then click on "scan settings" then tick the "MEM_MAPPED:Memory that is mapped into the view of a section."

As you can see : https://ibb.co/12PjLt4

Then you will have to add big endian values to the values cheat engine can scan (it does not that by default) here is an explanation on how to do it : https://gist.github.com/jordanbtucker/384b67d2b7ccf4e478fb20ae86b13a41

but it is a little complicated, fortunately someone made a cheat table that will make this optional as you can see in this youtube video :

This guy made a cheat engine table for 3 games (one of them being enchanted arms) (can download it in the video description)

https://ibb.co/8XWY5mP Then you just have to tick "add big endian values" and then "attach to rpcs3" (in this order) Be careful, the process should not be attached to the game window but attached to the emulator (if you ticked the "attach to rpcs3", it will be done automatially)

If you tick the "enchanted arms" you will have a list of preset cheats easy to use! (for example you can put the "encounter evade" on atsuma without having to buy it from the casino or using SP to learn it)

Do not tick compact mode or we will not be able to do the next step!

So now we will have to find the value that will permit us to move Atsuma around.

First in Ragau coast put atsuma near the destroyed bridge and then do that : https://ibb.co/qxcVWm2

ScanType unknown initial value Value type : 4byte big endian (very important, it have to be this type) Pause the game while scanning is optional but it is often better!

Then first scan. You should find around 2.3 billion different values (could be a little more or a little less) Then go down the slope halfway

and then in "scan type" search for "decreased value", then hit the button "next scan" then go back to where you were and search for "increased value" for the next scan do that many times and it should eliminate nearly all useless values!

After a scan, if your character has not moved, you can also search for "unchanged value", do not hesitate to move the camera around without moving the character, open the menu, close it and then do "unchanged value" (but do not search that just after the initial scan because there will be a lot of them and your computer might not be able to process!)

Do that enough times (it is a time consuming process) and you should have less than 100 values eventually (it started with more than 2 billions)

then double click on the values to put then on the table then add a zero to each of them, one per one : https://ibb.co/7RHH4WG

For me, it was the 7th one, (for you it will probably different so do not copy the adress, you have to find it yourself) when you find the correct one, the value will overflow and atsuma will be teleported at the center of the map (in this map the center is out of bounds)

For this map I knew that down the slope, the value would be lower and up the slope the value would be increased so I could search increased and decreased values, but if you do not know, it is best to just search by "changed value" but since it is more vague, it will take more time to find the value

100000 units represents a few decimeters for this map (so 1 000 000 would represent few meters) but it depends on the map, the sage tower map for exemple is way smaller so units would represent a smaller distance in comparison

if you are doing +1000000 or -1000000, you will get teleported closer of farer the origin point https://ibb.co/t38MXbT

It's kind of a pain to do without "encounter evade"! but doable! If you can do this even once, you will know to get out of bounds of every maps of the game but you will have to find the value for each map!

Antarctica

Ok this is my final day available to play, but your save still doesn't work so I guess it's the version difference. I have the English release somewhere in a box but I won't unpack it in a few years. I just wanted to know if you could beat the game if you did the glitch, that's all. If it's confirmed then I'll try and find where you can do the out of bounds legit because I think it's possible. If you still can't complete the game, then I guess it's something I don't need to waste my time on. I don't really like testing for hours on how to get out of bounds legit. I know it will take days to find the spot required. I don't really have time to test this right now. If the save would have worked maybe I would have had enough time to find out if I can beat the game, but if I have to spend time to get cheats up and running and starting again from new game it's too much time waste, especially in the russian version where I don't understand anything.

Île-de-France, France

I think I found something very huge!! (this is true) The skip if possible probably allow to finish the game, I found a quest trigger!

I'll explain : Yuki quest is completly broken and all quest related dialogues are broken, also all events (sayaka do not get attacked when going to japan)

also the guard that block kyoto city is broken so it is possible to enter but I could not get karin kidnapped or go to ninja hideout or go see tokimune or going inside throne

But something very weird happened in sayaka's village the elder house (where sayaka father have weird graphical glitches)

but when going to the gate that lead to the ascetic court and doing x there is a message "this is closed" but it still teleport us to the other side of the door!

I have advanced until the monk and the monk cutscene triggered! Then it updated the objective !

https://ibb.co/xHxmLDN

Now I will see if I can beat lord of earth and maybe finish the game??! But if that is possible that means the skip is even hudger than what you thinked because it also skip ninja hideout (Oboro1) and also all dialogues cutscenes until this point! (it includes sayaka attack and the sphinx boss)

It is a little too early to scream victory because the skip have not be found yet and I am still not sure the game is beatable but it seems like it, I'll keep you updated

EDIT: unfortunately when beating the hydra and Oboro2 the game was confused and triggered the cutscene when first entering the village meaning that now I have to go to see tokimune and probably have to do the ninja hideout after beating Oboro2 (I'm wondering if I'll have to see the monk again? or maybe the game will crash?) But for some reason, yuki joined the party (when we meet up again at sayaka's house)

Anyway, this will lead to interesting results!

Edit2: The game is so confused, it mixes many quest triggers and it is hard to understand!! Maybe by activating the triggers in a certain order, it is possible to advance the story? Update : You have to speak to makoto as soon as you see him in kyoto and the story will continue

I'm in a state where queen of ice just met Tokimune but at the same time mystery man is helping us, so weird!! (meaning that I technically first meet tokimune but I have to fight him)

Edit3 : The game advance smoothly and the boy un junk city help me and sage tower is not bugged anymore And also the shops were updated again so it is possible to buy strong golem again! (But I didn't payed attention if it was updated after the sage trigger or after the lord of earth fight)

I will play the version you are using Is it the : BLUS30028 ? Then make a save after the skip so you will be able to try it!

But I still wonder how you will beat the lord of earth with a very weak party! (I could do it because of cheated stats)

I think I will record the whole run with the use of cheats as a proof the game is beatable with the skip! (Just beated it with good ending)

Skipped bosses & fights :

JellyFish Lady azlights Cerberus Kou Minotor Yuki (x2) Guards near resistance HQ (x4) Giggling man & Dabrad Ooka 1 & Ooka 2 & Ooka 3 Skeletons (x2) Poseidon Emperor of fire Fubial Sphinx Sayaka attacked by ninja Karin attacked by ninja Oboro 1 (but not Oboro 2) Sayaka

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Antarctica

Yeah, go mess around with it. As I said I'll tell you how to beat the bosses if it's possible. Just show us a run starting from the skip once you figure out what's the best way to run it. I can tell you later how to beat the game with low level (actually it's easy because you have infinite gold due to casino). You make sure you have 1000 HP with all characters and Lord of Earth is no problem. ~600-700 HP if they are Earth Golem.

I just wanna see it even if it's cheated. So yeah please do that. So the trigger for boy to open Sage's Tower is normally when you beat Lord of Earth (that's when shop updates). Maybe with this you can trigger it even earlier, but even if not it sounds like it's going very well.

I play the 00049 version of European but it's in Russian language so I think when I load the English save it's in English language and it freezes the game. Your characters are named in English probably. Don't worry about it, I just wanted to see if you can beat the game, that's all. Now that it's done I want to know if you can skip even more triggers by doing in different orders. Once we know perfect path then I only have to route the bosses we kill. Since Lord of Earth is the hardest boss we have to have ~1000 HP on almost all golems. Then use the combos efficiently and have max healing items. It should be possible. Lord of Earth has 50% less HP in PS3, so it's actually easy on PS3.

Look at this. Low level super boss. So Lord of Earth is no problem at all! This is after Casino (1)

The Turtle Boss (PS3)

Aero Dragon (PS3)

Phoenicia (PS3)

White Tiger (PS3)

As you can see, even with a bad party I can defeat the toughest bosses.

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Île-de-France, France

Impressive bosses at low level! Also I didn't know there was a russian translation of the game! (I live in france and when I was a kid my english level was so low that I was on the verge of not buying the game when the game store vendor told me there was no translation for this game!) Still bought it and did not regret, I had a blast!

Okay, I did what you said and played the part from Ragau skip to Volcano tunnels with cheatengine :

As you can see there is a little problem, it is not possible to buy encounter evade and return to junk city with the teleporter (it might be worth going back to london, buy encounter evade and then go back to junk city by foot with encounter evade equipped) Or maybe the guards will still be blocking the road so it would need a second airwalk???

Also, even if you beat lord of earth, you still have to beat baglenji and makoto with low level atsuma!

I stopped the video at volcano tunnel but I can confirm that the game is finishable in this state if the kid removed the debris (gargoyles fight and odin fight will work)

You can fight atlas (it is not glitched, I just choosed to not do it!)

Sayaka Village Shrödinger's gate : it is closed and opened at the same time!

Also look how the game is confused when you return to sayaka village, it is so funny!

Also a good news : Shop updates when the sage cutcene triggers meaning that you can buy baramon, the 50% barrier golem before fighting any of the japan area bosses!

As you can see in the video, battle performance for glitched fights is very low (or maybe my laptop is dying) (Oboro2 and tokimune went under 20FPS)

Also, sometimes you can see that my characters stats go back to normal, this is not a splice, it is because I change the weapon base parameter values but this resets when I load from save file

I went slowly, for exemple you do not need to go to kyoto after the desert, I just wanted to show you the glitched guard! So you can directly go to sayaka village!

I hope that motivates you finding an airwalk in ragau if it exists!

During the video upload, I calculated the chances to have a bingo with the 4 first numbers (it gives your bet x1000) and since you can bet 500 you could get 500000 chips

It is : (16/24 for the first number to be on a line or a diagonal based on the center) then (3/23) for the second number then (2/22) for the third, then (1/21) for the last number : (16/24)(3/23)(2/22)*(1/21) -> 96/255024 this represent something like 0.037643516...% chance of happening... I think I'll stick to the roulette!

I've been able to test it with a special version of rpcs3 that have savestates (it is still a very instable feature) and even with savestates in was a pain to get the bingo! The number is decided each time when it start spinning (probably the same with roulette, I should try savestates on it too to be sure!)

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Antarctica

Ok, the video you showed me is enough to tell you everything I need to know.

Before you fight first boss after Junk City this party is the best:

  1. Atsuma (Damage)
  2. Ruby Butterfly (Healer/Damage) Heal every time you need to else deal damage
  3. Seraphim/Atlas (Atlas is better)
  4. Baramon (Defense) Use 50% damage reduction on party (ALL)

In fact you don't even need the last shop to update. Also if the teleporter does not work, then I would skip Encounter Evade. Don't go back to London at all. Just menu abuse (open menu 24/7) to skip battles. It's faster. It's very close to the end anyway.

For Lord of Earth only HP matters. Not so much the damage of your party members. He removes 90% of the damage which means it doesn't matter much. With Atlas you can do combos for 150-200 damage.

I would use those party members until the end. For Queen of Ice I would use my original party in the guide (whatever that is) You need to kill Queen of Ice FAST.

Also for Makoto fight it's easy. You just need to deal enough damage to kill the spawns 550+ damage with Mega Stampede. I don't think you know the real strategy of how to kill him? I always avoid the ultimate attack full fight by using only Mega Stampede attack. So he's not a problem. Baglanji is same, no problem at all. If you can kill Makoto, you can kill Baglanji (enough damage so you can use 50%+ damage and 2x attacks). Since Atsuma needs 947+ HP for Lord of Earth you already should have enough HP to survive.

You can follow my guide actually. It's still relevant for the stats you need (HP/Direct).

Île-de-France, France

Nice! Also the shop updates after atlas, so I would meet the monk, buy the golems and go back to fight atlas? (the monk is not far away)

If not buying encounter evade, it would save 100000 chips indeed that would mean less time in casino

(or maybe it is still worth to go back to london with the snow village teleport even if the ice dungeon is short?)

but the fact it is not possible to go back in london would mean converting all chips into money with the low selling price powders

edit : wait, I just realised that seraphim would become completly obsolete we do not need him to fight amazonia and atlas could be fought with some other golems, that would save 99000 TB + lots of gems that would be better spent on other golems

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Antarctica

Exactly, so if you already want to test it out you can start running with the "cheat" to bypass guards but doing real runs if you want. Yeah Seraphim is probably useless now. I never use him once I get Atlas. You might need to do what you said with going back for Atlas since he's tough to beat I think. You go to the Monk, talk to the crystal shop and buy stats for Ruby Butterfly and all that (you have to check how much stats you need). What I usually do when I route the game is I have too much Casino Coins / TB. So if you start with 10 000 000 Casino Coins and 1 000 000 TB (you buy what you need and then you see maybe 487 000 TB left (that means you need 513 000 TB from Casino). So that way if you make a save after Casino with those you can buy only what you need. The less you buy, the faster we can leave London in a real run. Up to you, but yeah you can definetly test it out. It's actually not too expensive to buy 9x 1200 SP Gem. Since Seraphim is not needed you can skip a lot of TB. You still will need the glove for Atsuma to not get ambushed by enemies (the best one with 1 HP Atsuma). Speed stat removes ambushes. If you get ambushes you have too low speed with the party members. I swap in the fastest characters when I run away from fights to ensure I don't get ambushed.

Game will be so easy, and absolutely don't go back to London ever for Encounter Evade. LOL man, in Village it's only 2-3 encounters to Queen of Ice. Escaping them takes 1 minute at max.

I think about 100 000 TB might work or maybe 200 000 TB to be safe (You will need to put stats on Atlas, Ruby Butterfly, Baramon). And buy all the materials needed to recruit them. I always write down how much for GLOVE, BARAMON, BUTTERFLY, ATLAS (to craft them like 20 Power + 38 Power + 99 Power + 128 Power = XXX Power). That way I don't buy too many. I think you will have no problem at all with that party. :)

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Egypt

I recently just got the game and been thinking abt making a speedrun (xbox360 emulator). There isn't a 100% completetion tab?

Antarctica

100% is not really realistic. You need all golems with 100% friendship. The speedrun would probably be too long to even be able to complete in one sitting without falling asleep. You have the progression meter in game that is separate from the Game Completed 100% that shows after you beat Infinity.

Maryland, USA

I've been considering doing a 100% run where you ignore the friendship meter cause it's totally worthless. I don't think it would be too bad definitely less than 12 hours

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She/Her, They/Them
2 years ago

I wish someone could find a major glitch that skips like 2 or 3 hours from the run. Because I'd love to run the game.

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