Specific Rules for Specific Runs
1 year ago
Iran

my Celestial champion run was rejected because I changed the Meteor settings to high and my all bosses run was rejected because I changed the starting season to summer. I think doing unseeded CC speedrun with no Orb guaranty is so unfun and the category is going to stay empty, I mean nobody likes to do a 4 hour speedrun and realize there is no orb spawned , also doing all bosses before one year and sitting at base for 10 days for Bearger doesn't seems to be fun either and how can we tell who is faster when everybody kills bearger the same day? So I think for some categories there should be specific rules to keep the category alive, specially for dead categories these two, I really like long speedruns and there is no way to submit a CC or All boss run at the moment.

Ecuador

Discussion about these two categories is still going on at this moment in the discord server. Even though I'm mostly in charge of the boards, I don't make these kinds of decisions by myself; the community has to reach a consensus and there is no easy solution that benefits everybody.

I'd like to point out that specific categories do have specific rules; you can view this by clicking the "category rules" tab in each individual category. These are the ones that the community has already agreed upon and are much easier to define. We have antlion (summer start), eye of terror and twins of terror (night only) (which allow you to either use the lights out chest or set starting resources to "always"), we have a "custom seasons" deerclops category (where the hostile flare is used and allows you to change season lengths and start at your own discretion, due to pretty much unanimous request from the community), and we have a klaus category that allows you to enable winter's feast and change the season start to winter.

Celestial champion is inevitably going to go the same route, it's just a much bigger issue with no easy solution. The elephant in the room is that pretty much everybody who has chosen to run this category on youtube has used their own world settings and therefore I can't simply pit these runs against each other because none of them are default settings and none of them run the same settings, so they're all different categories, and if I take it upon myself to decide that one of them is the "valid" one then I'm being biased and essentially picking a favorite out of my own volition which isn't how I want things to be done (i.e. I can't simply decide that your world settings are the valid ones and exclude the other runners).

The most elegant solution that the community seems to be gravitating towards is an official mod that guarantees the celestial orb on a particular day, but of course the problem this brings is that none of the (few) CC speedruns would be valid under this ruleset and we'd need new runners to do runs with this mod. As you can see, there isn't one single solution that benefits everybody here and runs are going to be excluded no matter what, so for the time being the category is a placeholder that only accepts default world runs. If you'd like to contribute to the discussion about this category, do so in the discord server with the other members of the community.

As for all bosses, I just have to apologize because that was never meant to be a category; we lost access to the boards for a while and weren't able to edit the categories and the "all bosses" category that you submitted to was simply a placeholder until we finalized the look and format of the boards. "All bosses" is not going to be a category because the community has overall agreed that seasonal bosses go against the competitive nature of speedrunning, and due to the fact that every "all bosses" speedrun in both youtube and bilibili utilizes its own arbitrary ruleset of which bosses have to be killed and what world settings are allowed, we cannot, in good faith, condense all of these runs into one single category. An "all main bosses" category (kill all the bosses in the "main boss kills" section) might be added in the future, but because CC is part of that list, we first have to discuss that category before adding that one.

tl;dr discuss this in the discord

Edited by the author 1 year ago
Iran

Thanks for your response,

I agree with you that "All bosses" category is complicated and also the bosses change. But for CC, you are over complicating it, while it's not , you only need the Orb, so change meteors to frequent, how simple is that? I see more complication in other runs rules that you mentioned in your response. Also how stupid is to use a mod to spawn the Orb while the game has an option for it? haha

Anyways, Changing the meteors frequency is clearly the best solution and you will add it to rules eventually, but I'm done for now, bb

Ecuador

FYI even if your world settings were allowed I still can't accept your run because you're using a server mod that isn't permitted

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