Germany@EBen - I agree with glitchless being pretty much impossible in these games as you are just gonna be encountering some stupid stuff here and there.
Is your character clipping through the floor a glitch? What about the car clipping through some walls? Abusing a supercop / ultracop for a quick bustedwarp? (I don't think there's a strat for this, just an example of some glitch that could happen) And most importantly - weapon sliding, what if that's being done by accident because you switch from your fists to the gun, or back? It gives you a slight advantage if you only do it once, and it would add up over the whole run.
Which is why I proposed "No Major Glitches" instead like we have it for SA already, for example. As mentioned as well, there's an intentional dupe / trick / glitch with rampages where you can get near infinite ammo for some weapons - I saw it in one of the unverified runs and the runner had 30k RPG ammo which, as I've said, wouldn't really be possible in a normal run (well, technically yes, but you'd need a lot of money and that'd not really be... fast)
Thus, a trick like that shouldn't be allowed in a category like No Major Glitches for obvious reasons.
I've not seen game-breaking glitches beside that one yet, such as duping or OM0, so I guess that one would currently be the only argument in favor of a No Major Glitches category (in my eyes at least).
I guess this topic can be brought up again once significant skips or glitches were found further down the line - who knows, maybe a future update breaks some stuff again? (It's R* / GSG so the chance isn't necessarily low, haha)
It seems the community that wants to run this game is in favor of having this category though, and I feel that this should be taken into consideration and, when the majority wants it, be added to the leaderboards.
"Who is hurt by running a cat. that doesn't exist on the leaderboard?" Those that want to easily compare themselves to other players in that same category. I shouldn't have to find every single runner of that category and make my own spreadsheet and manually put every run in just so I can compare myself when I could easily just check one central place (which in this case is the leaderboards on SRcom) for other runners, their respective position and my own position in that category.
While this topic is about "Glitchless" I'd much rather suggest "No Major Glitches" like we have on the SA leaderboards.
Main reason being that sliding can be done by accident and, if we go by true glitchless rules, would invalidate the run. (Yes, it's still present in 1.03 on PC, no idea what R* / GSG messed up there)
@qoznyyy - This isn't just about switching weapons. So far duping / OM0 / instapassing doesn't seem possible but it could be further down the line (look at VC DE, that one has functional duping, and I wouldn't be surprised if it worked in a similar fashion in III, too)
Switching weapons isn't the only glitch that is present right now (although as I mentioned, that seems more like a "non-major" glitch since it can be done accidentally)
However, I saw in another run that you can apparently glitch out rampages to keep the weapon ammo - in the video I watched the runner had 30k RPG ammo. You typically don't get that without grinding, so a glitch like that shouldn't be allowed in this category.
I agree with Churp on the leaderboard / game part. These games (yes, all 3, not just III), should've been put into new games so your average Joe can find them easily as well.
A quick Google search for "gta 3 definitive edition speedruns" only brings the standard 3 and VC leaderboards.
SEO should be considered in this and the leaderboards should be split up for ease of use and access (shouldn't matter to moderators in the end since the rules could be brought over and where the "approve" or "reject" buttons would be clicked)
As Churp said, "fun" is in the eyes of the beholder - both the ones running the game and the ones watching it.
Why does it seem to be such a difficult thing to just... add a separate category for this game for in this case Glitchless runs?
Who is being hurt by adding that? If someone doesn't want to run it then they just... won't run it.
As for other games in the GTA series "historically not having Glitchless categories" - I don't see that as a reason to not start doing it now / going forward.
(I also don't like that the definitive editions were shoved into the "Remastered" sections since they're a bit more difficult to find for the people that aren't aware of this, but that's another topic entirely)
So we all know the rain is terrible, but supposedly GSG / R* have a fix in 1.02.
However, that version also fixes the weapon sliding glitch and I'm not even sure if the rain is still as terrible as it is (as in, the fix perhaps only being that it finally renders on-top of the water?)
Now I know the rules say no modifications but I thought I'd ask whether a small texture-mod like this one would be allowed for the leaderboards (at least the v1.0): https://www.nexusmods.com/grandtheftautothetrilogy/mods/4
I kinda expect a no as an answer already, but hey, you never know without asking
"On his stream and run he was demonstrating Task Manager so we all know he is not using Cheat Engine to manipulate and change the value."
Absolute bullshit. I could make a copy of Cheat Engine that is called "McAfee AntiVirus" and run it as that. Wouldn't show up as Cheat Engine in my task manager.
Plus, how do you rule out mods in the game that nobody notices? Something that immediately sets the MS value to the desired one you need? Can't easily spot that either.
