So now if I plug in my 20hz turbo controller at Raven Beak, I'm saving 20-30 seconds in all my Raven Beak fights over my current PB runs, and I'm a competent masher. The average runner has no chance at all, not just in the fights but having to grab more missile packs throughout the run and actually consider backup strats (all things that make a speedrun great). The accessibility reason doesn't hold up when the majority is now disadvantaged.

Just replying to a post up above about loads, I'm running the Series X version right now and it's definitely not the fastest with loads. I'm losing about 3 seconds per level to the PC version (the WR run at least). Not sure if this is because of the version difference, or if it's the newer patch with DLC. I've noticed a few other small changes like health jars in different places.

Yeah I'm a bit confused about the categories too. I love the DLC levels but Hidden World% involves what exactly... I'd like to imagine it just involves playing all the levels in the Hidden World. But after they are unlocked / completed? Before? In addition to main levels? If you had to watch the opening cutscene it would take half an hour to set up the save file each time. Also unsure if 100% includes the Hidden World. The "all levels" category doesn't even mention the Hidden World. Hopefully we can get some clarification because the game and extra content is great. =)

Marsupilami: Hoobadventure

Metroid Dread

Hey everyone, we have a big announcement today.

As a result of continued feedback, the CMs have decided to revisit our ruling on turbo restrictions. **Effective immediately and on all leaderboards, turbo will be allowed up to 21hz. The restriction on missile weaivng with turbo is also being lifted.**

Unlike previous rulings, we did not have an officially sanctioned public discussion before coming to our decision. This issue has already been discussed at length in various feedback threads made by community members, and it was clear that doing so again would only further strain the community. Everybody has already made their thoughts known, so we instead discussed the state of the issue internally and came to a consensus.

We understand many people will be upset with this decision. When it comes to turbo, there's never been a perfect answer. Every ruling has always come at the cost of some part of the community, and as with every decision in the past, we've attempted to balance this to minimize the damage caused. After the many lengthy discussions and an internal revisit, we feel that the positives of loosening the restrictions far outweigh the negatives. We're certainly not happy about upsetting people with this, but it was also clear that not making this decision would upset even more.

Because of how nuanced this issue is and how many factors there are, we've compiled a document with a full explanation for the reasoning behind this decision. If you take issue with this decision or are otherwise concerned/curious, we ask that you please read this document. You can find it [here](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DoPjSQEcVUqqLqs5gNjN_EFYbb6dDvuHie8_tcwKc_g/edit?usp=sharing).

That said, we will at least summarize the reasoning and have a short FAQ here:

- Why was this decision made?

After considering many factors including (but not limited to) community activity, competitive integrity, controller availability, and runner health, we felt that the pros outweigh the cons. We feel that we stand to gain a net positive or at least not a net negative on any of these factors. The strongest factor was competitive balance, which turbo has been lagging behind in significantly.

- Why not 17hz?

The main reason is controller availability. The doc goes into depth about this, but many 13hz controllers would see no speed increase under 17hz. Along with still lagging behind the best human mash, this would somewhat defeat the purpose. We felt that if we made the cap 17hz, we would have to eventually raise it to 21hz anyways.

- Why not split the board?

Our goal with the boards is to provide an option for every way to view it. It's already possible to view a split board by using filters. While this isn't a perfect solution, it would be worse for those who want to see a combined board to be unable to do so than it would be for those who want to see a split board to need a few extra clicks each time they use the boards. Our reasoning is that it's clunky, but at least usable, unlike the alternative.

- Will this decision be revisited?

We don't plan to revisit this decision. While this has also been the case with past rulings, our principles never changed. We just didn't predict the circumstances changing so dramatically as the gap between turbo and mashing got further. That gap will probably not get that wide again, and even if it does, we're limited by the controller market as controllers over this speed aren't widely available. This shows no sign of changing as controllers closer to 30hz are difficult to make. As of now, we see it as very unlikely this decision is revisited any time in the near future.

Thanks for reading.

Updates to Turbo Regulations

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The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

Metroid: Zero Mission

Metroid (NES)

Metroid Fusion

Metroid II: Return of Samus

Super Metroid

FAST RMX

Splatoon 2

Super Metroid Category Extensions

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Kirby and the Forgotten Land

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Metroid Prime Remastered

Resident Evil 4 (2023)

Pikmin 4

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In order to properly figure out categories, rules, timing method, etc. this leaderboard will not feature any runs for the first two weeks after the game's release. In the meantime you can join us in the [Prince of Persia discord](https://discordapp.com/invite/0Ss0agDWPoiSvr3E) to discuss about the game.

Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown

Hey everyone! We'll be enforcing an embargo for Mario vs Donkey Kong 2024 for 1 week to evaluate categories, rules and variables. Happy gaming!

Mario vs. Donkey Kong (2024)

Alan Wake 2: Night Springs

Haunted Castle Revisited

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