Start Run with Island 1 Complete Glitch Opinion
10 months ago
California, USA

The Glitch in Question is using "Quit to Lobby" on the frame the load starts to load into Island 1, which gives you a very extended load and a completed Island 1.

So I have looked into this glitch a fair amount and it stops the IGT entirely on Island 1. You could on paper sit there for 30 seconds and then click on your choice for Island 2 and the time will start when you land on Island 2 after the load. This does leave you with 1 less item but if this glitch becomes frame rate specific or patched then its about a 10s give or take time save you cant get back.

I would like a community vote on the inclusion of this trick or not. I don't think we need to remove runs that have already used it but rather a vote for whether to allow or disallow in future runs would be cool.

Thanks everyone for reading and if you need me to submit any other information I would be glad to!

Art_Izon and King_Kyouma like this
Lithuania

How difficult is this glitch to pull off?

California, USA

Depends on frame rate but it can be a 1 frame.

It’s pretty easy to do

United States

its getting patched soon, no point in using now! noise was pinged about it and knows about the speedrunning community now, so id be surprised if not. it doesnt save much time anyway, no record will be unbeatable.

California, USA

The idea is more that it is a glitch that messes with IGT and that kinda sets bad precedents for runs. If a bigger glitch similar to this was found it would likely be disallowed for example. It is pretty soft since it saves as little as about 8s but that is time that you cannot save without doing the trick itself. So if a run were just so good that the 8s from it mattered it would feel very unfair. Now of course you can down patch and use the trick I just feel that strategies that mess with core elements of the game like the timer should be vote on.

I personally mod a lot of games that use IGT and its generally a good practice to post about them when discovered on SRC and have people vote on them. That way the board properly reflect the communities views. If that was done already in a discord then thats cool as well, you would pair it with a post on here and screenshot the poll from discord bringing the runners attention to the vote being held in the discord.

Again I hope this doesnt sound like me crossing a line but rather I saw that such a rule wasnt listed anywhere and was used in the record and had to be told by another person that this was posted about in the past. Keeping people on SRC up to date on community rules and policies I think is good for new runners coming to the game. Many of which dont use discord.

EDIT: Also since you can down patch you can just use the strongest patch so its still an issue to be raised regardless of it getting patched. 1830 may be the fastest patch for a while.

Edited by the author 10 months ago
United States

i didnt really consider the fact that messing with igt is a big deal at first. but yea since technically, the time spent choosing portals to i2 is time that can be optimized and should count.

i will make leaderboard igt reflect actual victory screen igt + time spent in i1 if i1 skip is used, and clarify in the rules. i dont see another option, theres no point in banning it, since you can just downpatch (forgot about that one)

Virginia, USA

I would like to add that although the skip does not start time on island 1, with the ant/slug island 1 spawn you can finish island 1 normally in about 2-5 seconds with an additional item. I think it's smart to disallow larger IGT things like this from happening in the future but I think we might be reaching a point where island 1 skip is not fully optimized (damage shot, aura shot, gemstone, etc island 1 makes a greater difference in the run's time vs saving 5 seconds in the beginning)

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California, USA

What you say is correct that with a amazing island 1 it doesnt save as much but the principle itself matters and resetting over and over for a perfect island 1 will never be faster unless you get a god like item out of the first chest. More often you are saving something like 8s and thats a good chunk of free time. I like the idea of adding on the island 1 time because even if you play skipped island 1 ultra fast unless you hit the next island portal while your screen is obscured you will be in the island for like 2-5s. Depends on if we are counting the fact you can move but cant see.

EDIT: If the obscured screen thing is an issue a +3 flat IGT for that Island I think is fine.

Edited by the author 10 months ago
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