A loooong time ago, someone tried to submit a co-op run that prompted a change in the rules. Sadly, this game barely sees co-op submissions, but in the future, I would like to slightly change one of the rules.
Back then, the runner started a co-op run solo (killed off one of the turtles) then beat the game solo, and tried to submit that as a co-op run. I rejected that run back then, and change the rules to state that each turtle needs to survive until the end of the game.
I think I would like to change the rules going forward: one of the turtles can die at the end at Shredder, but, have to be present on every stage. So as long as each turtle survives each stage, but, one dies at the end, the run is no longer invalid. This still prevents people from running a co-op category solo, but, at the same time, doesn't punish people at the very end who unfortunately die on Shredder (and hopefully, opens up co-op a bit more on this board.)
What does everyone think?
Do the Shredder fight mechanics change at all if one of the Turtles is killed off?
I personally believe that if it is a co-op run, then both players must start together and survive throughout the entire run. I do not feel very strongly on this opinion though, so take that however you want.
I don't believe in this game they do - no, but someone could double check. We had this discussion nearly 4 years ago now, which is why running co-op "solo" was essentially worthless. Pretty sure if you start the game co-op, and game over, all the enemy/boss spawns retain the same spawn/boss health and doesn't change from co-op/solo on the fly. The game still has co-op boss health opposed to solo even if a turtle dies or games over, etc.
So in short, no, just dying before Shredder doesn't make it easier (or shouldn't) and should just make the fight more time consuming.
The Shredder fight can be done with both players on the screen with ease. Only one turtle has to hit the real Shredder and both Shredders will go after the one turtle as long player two doesn’t do anything. Both turtles can’t deal double damage to Shredder like with other boss fights. So it’s very easy to finish with both turtles, especially with the JP version.
I think finishing with both turtles is the true meaning of “co-op”. You can also steal lives from the other player in case one runs out of lives. There are avenues for both players to remain in the entire run that it shouldn’t be hard to make it to the end with both of them. Just my thoughts.
The spirit of the category is play 2 real human people together. There is no such thing as abuse solo.
So please do not allow fake co-ops.
