Classic Mode IGT > Time
1 month ago
Baden-Württemberg, Germany

Can we finally let IGT decide the leaderboards?

I actually gave up on speedrunning after I got crushed by Riparo despite him being slower by 6 full seconds. I immediately realized that my switch is too old to compete with normal times (its a day 1 Switch).

So I left for a while. Now I came back and saw the newest Leaderboard and thought to myself "I am actually just 1 second behind but 13 seconds of loading time, this shouldn't be the real measurement."

A majority of other speedruns are focused on IGT instead of Time, so I really don't understand why we compete in this "Who has a faster Switch" competition.

Please let us change this category to a more competitive environment.

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Maryland, USA

Reason for Real Time as main method over IGT: https://www.speedrun.com/ssbu/forums/n0d4k#ngrv9

Alternatively, you could just click IGT and the leaderboard will automatically be filtered that way if you wish to see rankings based on IGT.

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Baden-Württemberg, Germany

I disagree a lot with that choice. If someone doesn't want to take the time to put their IGT, then they simply shouldn't compete. Make it necessary to add a IGT for submissions, simple as that

It feels very unjustified to loose simply by owning an older Switch or Physical / Digital Copy of the game. Using the laziness of people as an excuse to not implement this time change is also a strange choice.

Edit: If you can just filter that, then you could also do that when IGT would be the main time. You can then just filter for normal time or am I wrong?

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If you click the IGT on the leaderboard/character you're looking at, it will automatically filter the runs with the IGT. That is immensely easier than building a spreadsheet to calculate almost 6 years worth of runs. Unless you would like to do that. The timing method has never been at the full front of the issues within runners/community. It's not perfect, but it is the best way to ensure accessibility and lively hood of the game. I've run all the smash games and other games of the same genre and this is almost always the right way to go about it. Especially with some games, the IGT isn't always perfectly accurate/is flawed. (ie ssb, nasb 1 & 2) Not everyone who is going to submit runs is going to want to calculate their IGT, especially if they are running more of the hundreds of categories that exist in this game. It's not laziness nor "unjustified" when we've put in a lot of work not just moderating the game, but playing it. Especially when the thing you want is just one click away.

Idaho, USA

I don't think they were saying that you were lazy for the way the community is run, nor do I think they were insinuating that you intentionally went out of your way to wrong them or cultivate an unjust environment out of malice. I think the issue many take with not making In Game Time mandatory stems from the fact that the unfiltered rankings use Time instead of IGT time determine placements. Using the default placement to determine placing gives some the impression that it is the most competitive method of determining who is the fastest runner, when in actuality it measures who beat it the fastest, which is subject to variables outside the runner's skill pertinent to the game, such as running on a cartridge or the age of hardware. It may be easier to just say you are more interested in measuring who beat the category the fastest rather than who is the fastest runner, and that factors outside of the game are points of interest runners should optimize in order to be competitive.

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