Hi! As many of you probably know, Timer Glitch is a continual problem that's stopping any new runs being verified. Rough proposal I've made to other mods (and would now like to pitch here) is that we make a temporary Version category that houses all timer-glitched runs that will eventually be moved to "Old Versions" once the glitch is fixed. This lets us still work through the 80 or so runs and have a semblance of a leaderboard without completely screwing up the standard leaderboard times. If the glitch is never patched, they can be moved to Current Version once that part is made clear, but for now this is the best compromise I can think of.

Put your thoughts in here and we'll figure something out in around 24 hours' time.

add half a second for each run with timer glitch

so true

@derpbug practically that's a hell of a job to figure out and at that point we'd have to retime basically every run in the current version, plus cheapens the achievement (e.g if you think you get an 0:12 on jewellery store and it ends up being an 0:13)

Why would a timer glitch prevent runs from being validated? I can think of atleast 5 different solutions to this off the top of my head.

you could just add the second if you have the glitch cant you ?

Corsaka just said why you can't

ohh, yeah i kinda quit reading to go rob banks nd stuff

@Ironlongswords currently the issue isn't that they're not valid runs, it's that if this glitch is patched in a few weeks then all the work people will have put in will be mostly irrelevant. hence me asking if people are Okay with that or if we should do a proper solution like retiming things

for what it's worth, a major consideration is shifting the board to use RTA time which i've had reservations about but seems like it's the main remaining option if we don't want to trust the game timer

Okay, This is just my understanding but this is what I think would be the best course of action: Let all runs be verified (which are legit but affected by the timer glitch) only be on any%. The main appeal of the any% category is completing it as fast as possible with everything at disposal. The glitched timer is something that can't be fully fixed until 4.0 (hopefully) and personally, I think it would be a bad decision to not accept runs until then.

sure, but then you can't run glitchless at all. the main appeal of glitchless is that you are Choosing to not use ingame glitches as a sort of challenge - timer glitch isn't something a player can avoid.

honestly it should just be a timer glitch category, most of these solutions are too complicated, but shouldnt there be two timer glitch categories then? because there was two timer glitches

@Norfolk the old timer glitch is impossible to achieve and had maybe 5 runs? i'm content letting that one disappear. we're running a poll on discord right now that's getting community consensus for the next few days and (unless that decision is split decently evenly) will follow the results. speedrun mods are curators, not dictators

just force bricky brick to fix the timer :D

@fridj we've talked to the devs extensively and they're struggling to figure out the issue. either way, RTA is worth considering for millisecond precision alone, but it's also significantly more work for both runners and verifiers to set up

wait whats the glitch abt, i dont understand does it start 1 second earlier or

@Exybits the timer holds on 0 for up to an additional second, basically giving you slightly more time in the run - this matters a lot for runs like jewelry shop where it's suddenly significantly easier to get an 0:12