Rule Clarification on New Skip
1 month ago
Canada

Hello,

The runner CubbyCat discovered that if you use the climbing glitch on the screen with the final boss you can enter an Out of Bounds area and fall into the ending screen that appears after defeating the boss. In the rules it technically says time ends when the screen turns black after defeating the boss, not when this screen appears, so this technically does not fulfill the end condition for timing. However this was also written before this climbing glitch was discovered.

I personally do not think this should be allowed because it's removing the only remaining element of skill in the run (i.e. killing the final boss quickly) as everything would be just mashing which would be a pretty boring speedrun. The only alternative would be a category split for Any% and No Skips which would have the same problem because the regular game has a long and boring autoscroller in it (likely the main reason nobody ran the game).

On the other hand it is just using the same glitch as is used elsewhere, which are all allowed, and is only technically not following a rule that was written before the glitch in question was found, so I can't think of any reasons against allowing it other than it negatively affecting the speedrun itself.

Anyway just throwing that all out there. Personally I don't like it and I will stop running this if it's allowed but I'm not the only person playing the game.

Cheers.

United States

My thoughts: Any%, which is get to the ending screen, and Glitchless, which is completing every stage with no glitches that include leaving the screen. There's already 2 runs that honor Glitchless and there's 3 that honor Any%. I just finished Any% using the boss skip and plan to do a glitchless run and will at least keep it on my twitch and youtube for posterity.

Canada

If there is a category split it would need to be Any% and No Skips rather than Glitchless because the old runs before the skip was found used glitches to kill the bosses faster.

United States

That's fair. My intent was "No Skips".

Norway

Ok. I will make two categories, Any% and No Skips. Although I don't like the final boss skip, I think it should be allowed in any%.

I will also rephrase the end timing rule to be when the "And so, the evil warlock..." appears.

I also added a note on if the final boss is skipped or not.

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