Greater Manchester, EnglandDo you have another video of this? The streamable link no longer works
The ONLY way this would work and have it be fair for every runner, is IF:
- I make a VERY specific save that finishes chapter 1-1 that picks up both the FAS and 10 pistol ammo, so they ALL start with the same items, hp and DA to make it fair.
- Physically force the autosplitter to start at around 9:20 for coop, and an even larger discrepancy for solo BOTH for NG and NG+, which adds more bloat to the autosplitter and more options/settings.
- This is because selecting 1-2 from chapter select forces the timer to 0, as well as if you close the game and click continue it does not save your IGT and will also reset it to 0.
- Every single runner then has to use that save, and to do that you have to literally hexedit that save in a specific way in order to use it or it will not work at all.
- We make every single runner prove they're using this save and show their inventory.
- Retime all current speedruns of leon to match this rule change otherwise it isn't fair to them, which also then doesn't match up with the timing method.
- I would have to do this for multiple different categories
Then we need to think about:
- What about console? Do we just say sorry boys you HAVE to do the intro coz you're on console unlucky bozo?
- Adding multiple extra categories to a game with like 1 new runner every few months is just unnecessary bloat as we agreed
- The only proper way is to essentially rewrite the boards for this and do ALL of the above steps every single time you want to run Leons campaign which imo will turn away any new runners and even old runners wanting to return because the process is horrible, and most people will simply refuse to run the game SOLELY due to how saves work on them in the first place.
This is a possibility for something that could be done. However, again it is possible to get a FAS, ammo and other items towards the end of 1-1 as well as gaining/losing DA.
All of these things would have to be accounted for, as people could very easily edit in good drops for heals/ammo which are vital especially in your case since you're doing No Hope.
At which point, you're then looking at:
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Banning picking up anything at all in chapter 1-1, which then would invalidate any other speedrun done on the boards currently as they're then breaking the rules, and if you allow the older runs to still be on the boards they have an inherent advantage.
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Having a VERY specific inventory layout at the end of chapter 1-1, which has the same issue.
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Allow whatever you picked up in 1-1 to be allowed, at which point you then have people possibly editing these drops.
All of these solution then also have the additional issue of forcing players to do more things before the run such as showing you inventory.
It's just unfortunately not as simple as "Make the livesplit timer start at a specific time"
You were literally told to make an SRC thread asking for peoples opinions on this.
Instead you whined like a 5 year old about elitism and gatekeeping. Insulted mods and other runners and tried to pass blame on everyone else but yourself.
When a thread was EVENTUALLY made by someone OTHER than yourself you then derail it by causing arguments, losing any hope of this thread even having some normalcy with regards to this matter.
Even the original poster agrees there's no point adding extra categories because it adds bloat for 0 reason, and they actually then offered an alternative instead of insulting people.
Wild that you're ONLY picking up on that one point and not the multiple other factors mentioned and discussed in this thread AS WELL as in the Discord.
We get it, you want your way and when you don't get it you spit your dummy out. Trying to pretend other categories aren't real isn't going to work.
Not bloating the boards with an un-needed category is in no way, shape or form gatekeeping. We've already explained MULTIPLE times why this is not a good idea, and not something we're considering.
If you don't like that then good for you. You're free to run the game however you want elsewhere.
@curtiz you got banned because you were being extremely rude.
Just because multiple people disagreed with you about this doesn't make them wrong, and it certainly doesn't make you right in any way. You claimed you were right regardless of what anybody said and threw a hissy fit calling people elitist and purists just because they didn't agree with you.
We've already explained why there's no need to add this extra category, and if you don't like that then that's your opinion which you're more than welcome to.
Take accountability for your actions instead of trying to play the victim.
I think unhealthy is having to constantly mash a button rhythmically to get down stairs on repeat for 8 hours.
And I think unfair is having tech that requires you to have unlocked 300+ fps to do something.
Doing the intro for Leon is neither of those things, it's just a bit boring. And as someone with over 600 hours of speedrunning the game although I find it boring, I've never once felt like chapter 1-1 is the reason why Leon's campaign is a slog.
Starting the timer at 9:20 won't work either, game is timed via IGT and it would start entirely based off your chapter 1-1 IGT, which could be manipulated easily to make it look like you have a better time as you CAN lose time to some tech in 1-1.
You can also get ammo, heals and points towards the end of 1-1 which while points he no effect on NH they are certainly useful in all other difficulties.
The only way to properly make it a useable category would be to make an entirely new category set with a VERY specific inventory layout including points, heals and ammo, and we agree there is no point adding bloat to the boards with an entirely new and silly rule set.
Listen, I don't like the intro either.
But simply removing something because it's a little boring is just silly and kinda goes against the point of running the game. If we removed everything that was boring or a walking simulator half of the campaigns wouldn't even exist.
No intro in the other games servers as a means to get into the run specifically because those intros are either unfair or unhealthy to do.
RE3makes NI (No Intro) is specifically because the intro requires you to mash buttons on the staircases, and in Nightmare/Inferno is RNG whether you can even get past the first enemy.
RE7's NI is due to the fact the it's literally almost 20 minutes of walking and unskippable cutscenes before you even get to play the game properly. Not to mention there's hallway and FPS dependant tricks like Mia 2 which some people physically cannot get high enough fps for.
If you're having trouble in No Hope then that's not really the intro's fault, and you could and should be practicing with a 1-1 completed save if you're on PC.
There is literally 0 need to bloat the speedrunning boards even more on a game that doesn't have many runners as it is, and this was already explained in the RESpeedruns Discord.
There is already a No Major Glitches category which is the same as Glitchless
Yeah, it's allowed in NMG
As far as I'm aware Del Lago's health depends on your DA rank going into the fight
I mean, I can very simply post a written guide, but I physically cannot put past versions of a games .exe onto here, SRC and myself can get in a lot of trouble if someone reports it. It's that simple.
@jasmine1718 @zamrumrvo There is a guide and video in the Discord, we can't provide a guide on here because we can't provide you with the correct resources as it would go against SRC's T&C's.
@diablo7 Your question doesn't still stand because I already answered it. There will not be another category made for it, there is literally no point as what makes it any% doesn't exist anymore and it is essentially just NMG now.
There will not be a new category for it, you may still run and submit to any% but it will be automatically slower. Or you can go to NMG instead.
It's unfortunate your old runs were removed, but Snow was blacklisted for good reason and you were an unlucky casualty of his actions.
As for your edit, using the LRT isn't dumb. The IGT in this game is not a shining beacon in any way shape or form and if you can't see that then I don't know what else to tell you.
IGT should NEVER under any circumstances revert when restarting checkpoint, and all you were doing before was manipulating the IGT to get a better time with "Tactical resets" Not only that, but this games netcode is absolutely horrific and more often than not you will get disconnected during a run which with the IGT will invalidate it.
The LRT fixes both of these issues, and you're now actually allowed to make mistakes and restart checkpoint to mitigate that timeloss, and you can actually complete runs now without worry of a DC invalidating it.
Another reason for the change was the 30 minute difference between RTA and IGT, IGT people boast about how them not being allowed to mess up is a good thing and it just means they're good at the game, but how can you call that a speedrun when you're sat in the shop menus for nearly 30 minutes figuring out what you need next and taking breaks, which is 20 minutes more than a NG run using the LRT?
